I want to clarify something. A naysayer came here arguing with me about my interpretation of Scripture. Never mind that I am a professional biblical scholar who has spent decades studying Scripture and the occult. She claims that because her Bible says God told Adam and Eve to “be fruitful and multiply” before the fall, Lily’s and my interpretation is wrong.
Here’s the problem: this makes no logical sense. Modern Bibles are an amalgam of two different creation accounts:
Priestly account (Genesis 1:27–28): God commands humanity to “be fruitful and multiply” as a cosmic blessing. This appears before the fall.
Yahwist account (Genesis 2–3): Adam and Eve are created, placed in Eden, and only after the fall does God say to Eve that childbirth will be painful (Genesis 3:16).
The logical inconsistency is obvious: if sexual reproduction already existed before the fall, then childbirth could not suddenly become a curse after the fall. This shows that the command in Genesis 1 is a cosmic directive, not a literal, practical instruction for Adam and Eve’s sexual activity at that stage. It only makes sense when you recognize that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2–3 are separate sources later merged together - something most laypeople completely miss.
I had to pull out a few books to do this translation but here goes:
Verse 27:
“God created humanity in His image; in the divine image He created them, male and female He created them.”
Verse 28:
“God blessed them, saying: Be fruitful and increase, occupy and fill the earth, and exercise stewardship over it, and govern the living creatures on the earth, in the sea, and in the sky.”
Key points from the Hebrew:
“Be fruitful and increase” (peru u’rvu) – can mean:
Expand, thrive, prosper
Fill the earth with life in a broad sense
Not necessarily literal sexual reproduction at that moment
“Occupy and fill the earth” (mil’u et ha’aretz) – implies inhabiting and stewarding the earth, not starting a population immediately.
“Exercise stewardship / govern” (kivshuha u’rdu) – emphasizes dominion and responsibility over creation, not reproduction.
The curse of painful childbirth (Genesis 3:16) happens after the fall, showing that actual sexual reproduction and the hardships associated with it were not yet in effect.
The Hebrew text does not say “go have sex and start producing children immediately.” It is a cosmic blessing and long‑term mandate for humanity to eventually multiply and steward creation, not an order for instant sexual activity. Most people completely miss that God exists outside of linear time. Revelation itself testifies to this when it states that the Book of Life already contained the names of the redeemed before creation even began - before the Garden, before Satan, before anything. This demonstrates that God is not bound by a timeline and already knows all things before they occur. That is the essence of omniscience.
Most so-called Christians think of God in a completely haphazard and illogical way, applying their own limitations to the Creator. God has zero limits. God can do anything, even make a tree that produces human children. God already knew Adam and Eve would fall before Satan even showed up in the Garden. This was all a test of free will. That is why Christ said Adam failed because he fell for Satan's deception. Don’t fall for it yourself. Stop imagining God as some old bearded man in the sky. That is a childish notion, no more real than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.
Mind blown! Although, it does explain something I've wondered about for quite some time.
After Cain killed Abel, and God curses him, (I'm obviously paraphrasing here) Cain becomes afraid of what others might do to him once they catch wind that he's a murderer. If this is the "first" family in the world, and at this point down from four to three because Abel is now dead, who are these people Cain is afraid of and where did they come from?
I admit I do not know everything but one thing I am certain of: Scripture was edited to serve an agenda and my life's work has been to expose these inconsistencies.
I’ve always believed that although God preserves the fundamental truth and message of the Scriptures, Satan has used his minions to alter certain aspects of it.
I disagree as like you yourself stated to indeed stop limiting Heavenly father Almighty Creator God whom with all things are possible and that it is impossible for the Most High avca father Creator God to lie, that also means in His miraculous ability in preserving his word and even within certain translations not of the original Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. And there are many facts that show God's divine seal upon the bible as the scriptires inspired by Hi.
And something else for you to consider prayerfully as well ; do you honestly think that is heavenly father's heart to have babies as fruit that his human creation though certainly as Eve was deceived by satan and her own fleshly carnal desires would then choose to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the fact Adam & Eve were both created in and after God's image and likeness, His character and nature to want to eat another human let alone baby would just come across as too obvious as an aberration. I know heavenly father and He says that human sacrifice has never even entered into his heart, so to enable Eve and Adam to eat from a tree He created and put in the paradise to be actual human babies as fruit to be devoted cannabalised and eaten makes Heavenly father just absolutely not congruent with His very nature or character ultimately.......
You’re missing the point entirely. The article is based on the textual and symbolic evidence in the Hebrew Bible and the occult knowledge of pre-fall conditions. Genesis shows that childbirth only becomes a curse after the fall, which strongly implies that human reproduction as we know it did not exist beforehand. The “fruit” of the tree as an infant is a logical extension of this fact.
Your claims about God’s character, cannibalism, and literal morality do not address the textual or symbolic evidence. If you want to engage, focus on the Hebrew and the logic of pre-fall humanity, not your assumptions about what God “would” or “wouldn’t” do.
Well heavenly father reveals all. And I do get the point completely, I understand what is being postulated here, and it's not new, this has been around for many eons and centuries, but this is simplly an opinion and conjecture and not necessarily the absolute truth as only Heavenly father is all truth. And if that is truly the case for a husband and wife to be forbidden yo have intimacy then why did He give the same command to indeed multiply to have children and inhabit the earth to Noah, and his sons and daughters in law after He destroyed all of humanity but Noah and his family of 7 others? Considering what happened in your version and understanding of events why would Heavenly father bless that as normal to procreate of it was an aberration of His creative design? Why continue such an aberration after the flood?
And nowhere in the inspired by God himself scriptures does it state it is forbidden for a Godly husband and a Godly wife to be intimate and have children in that God designed given ordained way as wrong. Only outside of that Godly arrangement is it a disgusting defilement and aberration. Surely if that is not Heavenly father's heart surely we would have been instructed even within the new covenant that marriage and having children within the confines of that to for it and not to have children. Even by His spirit has not revealed that within marriage it is disgusting and a sin to have children. Though am personally very happy remaining chaste celibate and single as have no interest in those carnal desires heavenly father permits within the confines of a holy matrimony that He himself created and ordained.
I thought that was interesting myself, but strange, they look like 🍐 pears! I can see human infants looking like that!
But to me, I always thought the fall of Adam and Eve was because Eve had sexual intercourse with Satan and got pregnant with Cain, as Able was Adam's! So maybe after Eve tasted human flesh, she did have sex with Satan and got pregnant with Cain??
Some scholars claim that Lucifer actually raped Eve and that Cain was his offspring. I don’t even want to open that can of worms… That is a long topic that will just offend most of the people reading our work.
Yeah, maybe sadly, people will get offended! But if people want to understand the truth they need to look at everything,all sides of the events that took place, even the uncomfortable topics that offend too, this is how we learn!
Agreed. So many people have been schooled that demons don't exist anymore. They also only see God's pleasant side if that makes sense. They forget that He is the same God all through scripture and that He has many sides that we should fear especially when we do evil. Gods wrath is nothing to take lightly and that is what these evil psychopaths will taste one day.
It takes awhile to understand the depth of evil men will sink to for power and wealth. Nothing is off limits.
I get very weary of all the churchy speak and such pains to not offend anyone. People choose to be offended.
1st Timothy 1:4 and Titus 3:9 talk about the dangers of endless geneologies. Maybe (just speculating) the Bible story focusing on Adam and Eve as being the parents of all humanity on earth is a way to throw us off and sever our connection with our Creator. I do believe the Bible's energy signature has held steady and it's a critical resource for us, but it can also be tampered with. Some weird coincidences I've noticed--the schmovid vaccines are known to have snake venom in them--a snake plays a main role in the story of Adam and Eve. Maybe reptilian bodies are the only types of bodies demonic entities can fully inhabit(?) Maybe snake venom affects our spiritual discernment(?) I've read that Ozempic has either lizard or snake venom in it (can't confirm it)--but it seems interesting to me that Ozempic has become so popular in these evil times, it appeals to people's vanities, and it's use has become extremely popular. I'm certain none of this is coincidental and is by design to spiritually harm us. Also, there are creepy illustrations from around the 1800's with babies growing on plants and in peapods and such. Don't know if that means anything, but that came to mind after reading this article.
This article is nice and has some truth in it but remember, Babylon thrives on half-truths and inaccurate rabbit holes. The core argument of this article is simply not true for several reasons:
1. Language check: The Hebrew word used in Genesis 3 is peri פרי (fruit), which always means produce, yield, or literal fruit. Children are never called peri they’re called zera זרע (seed) or banim (sons). So the whole “fruit = humans” theory collapses right there.
2. Covenant logic: God commanded Adam and Eve to “be fruitful and multiply” (Gen 1:28). Multiplication was a blessing before the fall. If they had literally eaten human offspring, that command would make zero sense.
3. The actual curse: Genesis 3:16 says, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing.” The curse was not “childbirth itself,” but the pain, blood, and struggle that now surround it. That’s a massive difference.
4. Babylon’s inversion: This theory is basically Molech-flavored propaganda. It trains people to think of children as consumables and makes motherhood feel inherently cursed rather than holy. That’s exactly how Babylon disarms the womb and mocks God’s design.
5. The real battlefield: The serpent targeted the womb because through woman’s seed would come the Messiah who crushes his head (Gen 3:15). Every birth became contested ground after Eden, but it’s also the pathway of salvation. That’s why Mary’s “yes” flipped the curse into victory.
Half-truths sound spicy, but they’re just Babylon’s way of pulling you off mission. The womb isn’t cursed it’s weaponized. That’s why the dragon still rages against it (Rev 12)
And as for that “divine spark” line, careful. That’s dangerous slippery slope into Gnostic territory. The choice in Eden wasn’t about recognizing a spark of divinity it was about covenant obedience vs rebellion. Period.
I appreciate the thoughtful response. You clearly know the text and you are engaging in good faith. But I think you are making some assumptions about language and context that deserve a closer look.
Peri (fruit) vs. zera (seed): It is true that peri typically means produce, but in Hebrew (like most ancient languages) words are often applied symbolically or metaphorically depending on context. For example, “fruit of the womb” (Deut 7:13; Psalm 127:3) shows that peri can refer to children in a figurative sense. The leap from peri to “offspring” is not as far-fetched as you are suggesting.
Timing of multiplication: The command to “be fruitful and multiply” was given, but the actual outworking of that blessing is only described after the fall, when reproduction becomes tied to pain and mortality. The fact that childbirth itself was cursed suggests something about reproduction fundamentally shifted. Before the fall, it did not function in the way we now experience it.
The curse: You are right that Genesis 3:16 emphasizes multiplied pain, but the Hebrew is ambiguous enough to allow for more than just physical pain. It can encompass sorrow, toil, or hardship tied to the entire reproductive process. That is where the theory explores deeper symbolic possibilities.
Babylon argument: I agree that Molech and Babylon invert truth, but that does not automatically mean exploring the symbolic dimension of Genesis is propaganda. If anything, exposing hidden meanings in the text can be a way of undoing Babylon’s narrative control.
Battlefield of the womb: I fully agree with you here. The seed of the woman is central to redemption history. That is exactly why the fruit and reproduction link is important. Eden sets the stage for the contested womb all the way through Revelation 12.
As for the “divine spark” line, I hear you. My intention is not to drift into Gnosticism, but to show that the life-giving force itself comes from God. Scripture supports this: Leviticus 17:11 states, “For the life of the flesh is in the blood,” and Deuteronomy 12:23 reiterates, “Only be sure that you do not eat the blood, for the blood is the life.” These passages explain why God strictly forbids the consumption of blood. If blood were merely biological, such a prohibition would lack deeper meaning. The repeated divine warnings suggest something sacred - something metaphysical - resides in the blood.
This is why vampirism is not merely myth. It reflects real occult practices that seek to manipulate or consume that God-given life force. We are not inventing these ideas for shock value; they are grounded in scriptural principles and historical spiritual realities.
I value your pushback. It helps refine the theory and keep it grounded.
Respect to your response you’re engaging with the text seriously. But here’s where I have to push back hard, because this is where Babylon’s half-truths creep in if we’re not surgical with covenant language.
Peri vs Zera
Yes, “fruit of the womb” is a biblical metaphor but note carefully: the Hebrew construction always qualifies it (fruit of the womb, fruit of the land). The base word peri on its own refers to literal produce unless context adds the metaphor. Genesis 3 never adds that qualifier. So to read “peri” as “offspring” without it is importing something the text doesn’t say. That’s a hermeneutical leap Babylon loves—taking a metaphor from one passage and smuggling it into another.
Timing of multiplication
Multiplication wasn’t delayed until after the fall. Adam and Eve’s bodies were designed to reproduce before sin. The curse in Genesis 3:16 doesn’t initiate childbirth, it intensifies it: “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing.” The Hebrew makes it clear, God didn’t invent the process at that point, He multiplied the pain of an existing design.
The curse and sorrow
True the Hebrew word covers both pain and sorrow but tying this to “eating unborn children” is where the symbolic reading goes off the rails. The actual context defines the curse: pain in conception and birth. To stretch it into “maybe the fruit was consuming embryos” is not just symbolism it’s a distortion that blurs covenant clarity.
Babylon
Exploring symbols isn’t wrong. But Babylon specializes in exactly this move: turn covenant boundaries into free-form “hidden meanings.” The Torah isn’t a riddle book, it’s an operational manual. If God says fruit of a tree, He means fruit of a tree. The serpent’s first tactic was to make the Word “open-ended” (Gen 3:1: Did God really say?)
Womb
We agree here completely: the womb is central. But here’s the critical difference, Genesis doesn’t equate the fruit with embryos. It sets up the womb as contested ground through the promise of seed (Gen 3:15). Mary becomes the reversal not because Eve ate “children-fruit,” but because she bore the Seed who would crush the serpent.
Divine spark
Blood is sacred yes. But “life is in the blood” isn’t a license to drift into mystical “spark” language that’s textbook Gnostic slope. Scripture treats life as God’s breath and blood as its vessel (Gen 2:7, Lev 17:11). To call it a “divine spark” blurs the Creator/creature distinction. That’s why Paul warns against “profane myths” (1 Tim 4:7). Vampirism as occult practice is real, but Scripture doesn’t frame it as “consuming God’s spark” it frames it as desecrating blood that belongs to Him alone.
Eden was about covenant obedience not cryptic metaphors about embryo fruit. When we drift from the plain meaning of Torah into speculative symbol chains, we risk replaying the serpent’s move, making God’s command sound like a puzzle instead of a boundary.
The womb is a battlefield, but not because Eve ate babies. It’s because God decreed the woman’s Seed would crush the serpent’s head. That’s the war line and that’s where the gospel fires back.
And also read my latest article about God’s love, the fruit was more of a discipline and love test. It’s not as complicated as the serpent is trying to make it.
Anyone that actually puts forth any concerted effort into analyzing the Genesis narrative will arrive at the same conclusion. The Bible proves through its content that the soul of man lay within the blood. The consumption of blood, literal vampirism, is the source of all necromantic energy. That tiny spark of God’s Light that brings consciousness and motive power to what would otherwise just be a lump of flesh is transmuted by the occultist into ‘magick’ hence Lucifer/NAHASH telling Eve that consuming the ‘fruit’ would make her ‘as God’.
This hypothesis Could provide clarity to the mystery of the seeming obsession in Judeo Christian religion with reproductive biology. A mandatory trait shared by all advanced life forms on earth the practice of which is highly constrained in rule and doctrine and associated with manifold forms of sinful behavior and even “original sin.” I don’t claim to Know what Truth there is in This Hypothesis but it certainly is a novel “take” on the relationship between God and Man.
Well, since I am not scholarly in the Bibble ... but love listening to those that are, I sent this to a very scholarly friend and wordsmith. We must be clear and I love sharing with others so we all learn together with open minds and hearts as our guiding light. My friend replied with this:
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I do not doubt reference to cannibalism in the By Ba'al. But the reference to Genesis 3:5 is incorrect. According to the "story"...EVE had no "infant or child" at this point.
Cain + Abel.....Kain-A-Ba'al....
Cana = priest
Ba'al = alleged pagan god and child sacrifice
Vatic-Cana ....Vatic = Vedic = Vater = Pater = Fader = Father....YEP
Islam has the Kaba Stone....and worship Allah....or Kab-Allah.
But, in Christianity...they eat the flesh of god and wash it down with the blood of a god...Jesus "eat my flesh and drink my blood".
Symbolically....Cannibalism ... The EUCHARIST....or You - Christ. Ka-Rist Kai-Rist or Rest....
They even pronounce it "You Car Rest". Car = Char....to burn.
Peri can mean to "be fruitful"....but; not Gen 3. Whoever wrote this..."put the cart before the horse". Cain was said to "bring Yahweh the fruit of the ground". That implies veges...not blood. Of course; if he killed Abel...A Ba'al...and then ate him...the Cain Abel applies. But that is still not "Frute of the Womb"
Ha...."Fruit of the Womb"....sound like an underwear ad.[it does! 😂]
Lily never said that she had an infant child already. She is claiming that the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is what was producing the fruit itself. That mankind was never intended to reproduce through sexual intercourse and that part of the fall of man was the curse of childbirth.
I am not saying I agree with her interpretation but I do find it interesting and I am a professional Biblical scholar and some of your 'interpretations' sound like you should do a little more research than simply relying on phonetic clues and flights of fancy.
For example, The name "Vatican' comes from an Etruscan fertility goddess named Vatica - who some scholars believe is another identity of Inanna/Ishtar/Asherah/Lilith/Whore of Babylon. I was raised Catholic, my ancestors were Vatican knights, my family actually had regular meetings with Pope John Paul II for some reason that was never fully explained to me. My point is, I was fully enveloped in Catholicism from a young age and intended on becoming a priest. However, I soon began to notice that the Catholic Church seemed more interested in wealth and power than God and I became disillusioned with the faith by the time I was a teenager. I now believe it is, absolutely, a continuation of Roman paganism hidden behind the thin veneer of being a Church of God.
However, I did want to add that you are dead on about Cain-Abel-ism and that right there adds to the credence of what Lily is saying.
Oh I did not know, thank you for the clarification. And thank you for sharing more of who you are and your background, with all due respect, I appreciate it. This line of inquiry fascinates me. I am glad you took notice and changed directions.
Is it not also called the Tree of Life? The fact that they were allowed to eat from any tree, except the tree of life does seem to carry some weight here.
My friend, Mr. Williams, replied to this, which again, I find this line of inquiry fascinating. I love hearing the scholarly views because I am a late bloomer in the field of study, yet, here I am and care about these kindly, yet, open and honest discussions.
Mr. Williams' reply, and please forgive the tone at times, he does have a great sense of humor and his own views that I don't always agree with but is a dear friend. Oh, and by the way, he was approached by the "Knights of Malta" to join them with a large payment ... he turned it down :)
This is his reply to your comment my friend, 'The Wise Wolf'....
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"First...THERE ARE NO RELIGIONS. Every religion ever "created"...aka given to people to BA'AL EVE in"...was created for Political Purpose to implement, foster and nurture...THE DIVIDE AND CONQUER STRATEGY OF THE ELITES...or perhaps the Phoenicians. They were the original and became the most powerful culture...as an Admiralty Trading Society. Phoenician swords have been found in Arizona (the Arid Zone) near you. This is why you have the city named "The Phoenix".
They controlled the PHOEN NET TICS...that's why it's a NET...to "fish in the men"....
[pamela adds: When I see the word 'internet'? I see it as the 'NET' capturing the 'INNER'
INNER = 'between' or 'among' or 'within'.
So, the Internet as: The NET is capturing your WITHIN.
Hope this makes sense? ]
"Man Kine or Moon Kine. Kine means Cattle; or katt-El as there was no "C". The symbol "C" is the "crescent moon" that represents "Lucifer" or the Dark Adversary. The Moon is Dark and has no "light of its own" and must be "lit up" or "enlightened"....by the Illumine Na Ti .... who are NaTive.
The Pope is the "Father Priest"...the "Vicar of Christos/Chrestus" (or whatever other derivation that anyone wants to use...since the Vow-Els are and have been interchangeable throughout "In fin Na Ti"....In Pheon Na Ty".
...They have used the Pater/Peter (Peter is High English phonetics) to control the Pope-ulations via the Legal Doctrine of Pater Patriae...whereby the Pater or King or Monarch...the Vicar (Vic-tor power of the Vicar) must "take control of all the LUNA-TICS"...aka Moon-Kind...because "they are insane".
Today, this is found in US CODE: TITLE 1; SECTION 1....the very first "definition" (the phoenician) in the US CODE is "insane and insane person". The word: sane...in relation to "all Acts of Congress"....is found nowhere "in the code".
If you read: ELEMENTS OF ECCLESIASTICAL LAW (3 volume set); you find out that whatever the Pope proclaims as "law" on this planet...if it is posted by the Vatican Media Outlet called: THE PROPAGANDA...then it become "law of the planet within 60 days". This is because Catholic means "universal"; aka 'the one world belief". Research shows that all of these alleged "major religions" have their roots based in Zoroaster and his "philosophy".
How was this spread? Oh yeah....THE PRO-PAGAN-DUH....because the Pope or "Holy Father" defines what "pagan" means; and then syncretized every single "pagan religion" to create the Central Controlling "Rhea Legions".....the "mother of many gods".
Their scribes have controlled the diction and the "diction-aires". Secure; archaic meaning: "unwisely free from fear". Today, it means..."Safe".
How does this manifest today? You "buy Securities" to "bond/bind" yourself to "DET...DEAD...DEATH...OR DEBT" based "Money" (they put the Moon's Eye right on the "Bill" or Papal Bull.) Does this "feel safe"...or is everyone "unwisely free from fear".
Pamela, I could play the "Pheo Net Ti....or Pheon Nt Ti -C's" game all day. But, I don't have time.
I am attaching SECRET HISTORY OF THE JESUITS published in 1975 by Edmund Paris. I'm also attaching my latest of my "curations" on AI about the 3 Control (false) Concepts and the 2 Overriding Elite Mechanisms. I would like that kept FYO...and confidential. I am not ready to release it...yet. Needless to say; when I engage AI...I am always (at first) confront with some form of Human False Narrative. That is ...INEVITABLE; since the "database" is full of human bullshit, fake knowledge, propaganda, and false "Theo Ries".
The Jesuits determined to create World War 3 directly after World War 2 ended. Their plans are long term. Albert Pike wrote about having 3 world wars in 1871. He was the Grand Master of the American Lodge. BTW: Ameri Kai...comes from Amaru...the god of the Amorites found throughout the Tribes of South and later North Amaruca. It means "land or power of Amaru".
They...."co-opt" the names and turn them back on the "BA'AL EVE-ers". As I was told..."it's a great big cosmic joke". The joke is on those that "ba'al eve" that this FAR SMART MATRIX SYSTEM ... is "real". Delusion is real...the "mind" of "men/moons" makes it real. "They" told everyone in that mooooo-V..."if you die in the Matrix...you die in the Real World".
I have "no beef" with anyone. It is humanity that is "at fault"....for "buying the Papal Bull Shyte". 8 Billion "religions or rhea legions" on this planet....and
EVERYONE'S RIGHT....JUST ASK THEM.
The "Etruscans" were Phoenician in their origins; and "controlled the Money Trust" of Rome. A Truss...or A Trust; such as the Global C'estui Que Trust.
A Trust Cana....They were the Priests...aka the Praetors or Pray/prey Tors. Tor = Toro = Thor = Power. The Power of the Bull; El Toro for El Papa.
The Priest "prey" and they "prophecy" as Profits of God and...to the Vicar goes the spoils.
These are the ones that "bribed Brutus/Judas" to kill JC....Julius Caesar...aka the KaiZhar. NO 'C'....until later...RE Member.
I am including some "AI info" on this matter...not that its relevant to me. There's been plenty of lies and pro pagan mythos (DUH) put out by the Jesuits, since 1574...to last anyone's lifetime. They only "expanded the lies"...so that ALL MOON KINE would "buy the lies" and "deceive themselves". There is not other deception besides Self Deception...because deception does not exist until the moment you buy the lie or swallow THE PROPAGANDA.
A couple of points (apologies, it's a long comment).
You start your essay by saying: "Scholars have assumed apples or pomegranates for centuries, but these are cultural additions. Genesis itself remains silent. This absence isn’t accidental. When ancient texts deliberately withhold information this fundamental, it suggests knowledge too dangerous for common understanding."
You also say that 'be fruitful and multiply' is a "cosmic" command from God not necessarily implying that people must immediately start to have sexual relationships and have children.
On the first point, Genesis is clear that the fruit is of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and that it is poisonous bringing death to those who eat it. The tree was in Eden, the same Eden Adam and Eve were expelled out of after the fall and God issued His curses. My point is: even if Genesis told you the name of the fruit and the tree or plant it grew on, you would not have a clue about which one it could be since humans have not experienced Eden ever since. Genesis already tells you all you need to know. The fruit was of the 'knowledge of good and evil', and eating it would kill you. These are unwavering truths which Satan tries to disguise but acknowledges indirectly since he says that by eating it Eve (and Adam) will become like God knowing of good and evil but that 'you will not die'. That was Satan's dream, to be like God, to take His place. With Adam and Eve he just wanted to get some accomplices to disrupt God's plan for His Creation, which he did. As you well imply in your comments, no one can be like God, that is why trying to be like Him as Satan tried and Adam and Eve attempted in eating of the forbidden fruit brought death into their lives and ours. That is why God forbid it. We have all the information we need, we don't need either the name of the fruit or its provenance. We know what it does, it kills.
On the second point, life in Eden, had Adam and Eve not fallen, was meant to turn eternal. It did not because of the fall. Death entered the equation. But the average length of the live of the people, from Adam onwards up until the flood and Noah, was much longer than what the average life of a human is today by hundreds of years. As you also see in Genesis, most people only started having children after a long period of time. So it is perfectly likely that Adam and Eve never had any sexual relations before eating of the forbidden fruit and that, once expelled out of Eden, they would feel the consequences of death in the curses their fall brought on them. A "cosmic" command from God embodying His plan for the earth and sentient life on it does not preclude or contradict the Adam and Eve story.
You speak of "logical inconsistency". Two points about that: I cannot see, based on what I've said above, any logical inconsistencies. Only Adam and Even experienced Eden. Only them had the choice to eat of the forbidden of the knowledge of good and evil. They did not have any progeny while in Eden. They were not ashamed of their nakedness which means that, had they had sexual relations and given birth to children as God commanded and planned, the experience would have been Edenic. The cosmic command from God applied logically then and only Adam and Eve's breaking of God's command triggered shame, pain, toil and their by-product: death outside Eden. All birth known to women since has been achieved in pain. It's all logical.
Secondly, if God "has zero limits", if He is not 'the man with a beard', how can we even attempt to apply our logic to Him. The Word of God is about God and His plan for Creation once humans have been introduced as breakers of His commands (sinners). It is not possible for our logic to logically explain His (if He ever needed one).
I agree the apple represents eating human flesh etc.
Adrenochrome….the transfusion of anothers spirit at their most vulnerable.
The abomination.
The eyes open (possesed), they no longer see earthly shame and decency towards God or the Children….(inapropriate clothing, open sexual conduct, defiling, debauchery, pedophilia, ignoring God’s word, listening to dark spirits of deceit etc.).
The Vampiric Damned and their legion (Roman rape ritual initiation.).
Urgghh.
On the side about sex.😂
How can the foundation of creation be wrong?
Sex is a natural and wonderful moment of bliss, a bond of the sacred and divine spark.
When acted in sacred union.
The condemnation is a recent addition to scriptures, more false shame and mockery by the religious hieracy for population control!!!!
The Creator made us perfect, in their image.
Woman was created from the same source to keep man from becoming lonely and desolate.
To help him steward the land and build a family.
To love and to share bliss together, extending the divine creation, forever.
The Garden of Eden.
A divine union of procreation.
A fantastic post, much to think about, all I know, all that the Creator made, was for love and perfect.
This is certainly very interesting and thank you for sharing it & something have contemplated too, but not that the fruit was eating actual babies, and don't agree with all you have stated yet some of your conclusions do agree with concerning cannibalism etc, but am indeed asking Heavenly Father for complete clarification and what does He say and to give me revelation and illumination via his spirit that leads & guides into all truth.
Yet certainly was very interesting to read your viewpoint and understanding, but that we indeed did ultimately enter into a contract with satan who has become the prince of this world, and ruler of the spirit of the power of the air atmosphere, through Adam and Eve's disobedience rebellion and sin & wanting to be their own gods & to rule self, to be their own lord, king and queen and make up their own kingdoms of self governance, and when we ourselves chose to rebel and sin against our very own creator too, and to enter into this system this very world governed by the devil to be able to buy and sell and partake of the fruits of all it's debauchery that it offers. (1/2/3 John).
Because the master builders (inclusive of freemasons) rejected the true builder whom becomes the corner stone Jesus the true King. And then satan justifies through rebellious humans and their obeying their carnal corrupt evil wicked flesh where no good thing resides, & in feeding their flesh through their perpetual sinful desires, fornications, pornography, masturbation, sexual aberrations, homosexuality, transgenderism, beastiality, etc, (Galatians 5), abortions, murder, killing, wars, and child sexual abuse and ritual satanic child and even adult sacrifices to false gods to satan and fallen rebellious entities and demonic spirits, that then enables and empowers this entire system-satan's system of his entire kingdom of darkness, that in whom the God of this age has blinded the thoughts of the unbelieving, that the enlightenment of the gospel of the glory of the Christ, who is God's image, should not dawn upon them, and if the gospel is veiled it is veiled on the perishing 2 Cor 4:4,3, and satans entire system of kingdom of darkness is in complete opposition to Heavenly Father as being Sovereign and only He having the right to rule over His entire creation and universe.
I just really thank Heavenly Father for His unfathomable undeserved love goodness & amazing saving grace every day for Jesus & his atoning sacrificial crucified life death resurrection and ascension whom now sits at the right hand of the father whom has been given all power and authority in heaven and upon this earth who brought all those His back into making our peace with Him, and being delivered from satan's entire system of darkness and Jesus saves us from our sins, and reconciles us back with our true creator maker Heavenly father the Most High and in Jesus the living Christ transforms us so revolutionary, so radically and completely from the inside out, and strips away all the old self and the influences of this world layer by layer to become new creations indwelt, infilled in Christ with circumcised hearts and renewed minds and regenerated hearts.
Even Jesus stated that marriage is between one Godly man as a husband to one Godly wife as a woman, & to be equally yoked (Matt 19:4-12; 2 Cor 6:14), but that any sort of intimacy outside of that Godly arrangement is indeed absolutely perverse, abnormal, ungodly and then not sanctioned nor ordained by Heavenly Father and is deserving of only death.
Yet I honestly cannot find anywhere within the scriptures where heavenly father forbids marriage, and those that do are giving heed to deceiving spirits and teachings of demons, through hypocrisy of lying speakers, their own conscience branded; forbidding to marry....1 Tim 4:1-3 nor that intimacy between a true Godly husband and wife in this fallen state at this time is forbidden, we do find within scripture it stating even they to abstain and fast as a married couple but only for a short time and also encourages a husband and wife to not withhold that intimacy from each other. 1 Corinthians 7:1-7.
Yet Jesus is indeed our role model, and example to walk as He walked to live as He lived as He is brought forth as have been crucified with Christ & it is no longer I who live, but Christ whom now lives in me and what I now live in the flesh I live by faith which is in the Son of God who loved me, & have himself up for me. (Gal 2:20).
And I also do love the analogy of Jesus being our Heavenly holy bridegroom with no perverse boundaries being crossed. Yet also fascinatingly heavenly father uses allegorical metaphorical and via symbology of the profound first encounter of intimacy between a virgin husband with his virgin wife as breaking her veil and then entering into her to become one flesh, (Eph 5) and then through this we can also understand Jesus breaking the veil between the holy and most holy that enabled him and God's holy spirit to enter into all those born again in the spirit and water after his seed, and as the seed itself dies hence we too are crucified died and buried with Christ, the breaking of the outer man of all self, of all pride, arrogance, self reliance, self confidence, selfishness etc, and dying to the old man/woman into the new man woman of newness of the resurrection of spirit life in Jesus Yeshua Mashi Yah, crucified and died to self, self life, crucified to the world and it is to us, to satan and delivered from satan's entire kingdom of darkness into Gods kingdom of the Son of His love and light, that came into the world He being the word made flesh, the invisible God made visible and all those born of spirit recreated and conform more and more into Jesus' same image and likeness by the Lord the spirit, and bear sumptuous mature tasting fruits so others can taste and see that God is indeed good too! And making God the one and only giving Him the pre-eminence and all the glory the power and the Kingdom for it all belongs to Him, and He is to be only highly exalted and enjoyed within a consistent regular holy two way responsive intimate relationship of constant communion fellowship interaction and communication as the lifeblood of profound holy reciprocal compelling impelling love towards one another.
I want to clarify something. A naysayer came here arguing with me about my interpretation of Scripture. Never mind that I am a professional biblical scholar who has spent decades studying Scripture and the occult. She claims that because her Bible says God told Adam and Eve to “be fruitful and multiply” before the fall, Lily’s and my interpretation is wrong.
Here’s the problem: this makes no logical sense. Modern Bibles are an amalgam of two different creation accounts:
Priestly account (Genesis 1:27–28): God commands humanity to “be fruitful and multiply” as a cosmic blessing. This appears before the fall.
Yahwist account (Genesis 2–3): Adam and Eve are created, placed in Eden, and only after the fall does God say to Eve that childbirth will be painful (Genesis 3:16).
The logical inconsistency is obvious: if sexual reproduction already existed before the fall, then childbirth could not suddenly become a curse after the fall. This shows that the command in Genesis 1 is a cosmic directive, not a literal, practical instruction for Adam and Eve’s sexual activity at that stage. It only makes sense when you recognize that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2–3 are separate sources later merged together - something most laypeople completely miss.
I had to pull out a few books to do this translation but here goes:
Verse 27:
“God created humanity in His image; in the divine image He created them, male and female He created them.”
Verse 28:
“God blessed them, saying: Be fruitful and increase, occupy and fill the earth, and exercise stewardship over it, and govern the living creatures on the earth, in the sea, and in the sky.”
Key points from the Hebrew:
“Be fruitful and increase” (peru u’rvu) – can mean:
Expand, thrive, prosper
Fill the earth with life in a broad sense
Not necessarily literal sexual reproduction at that moment
“Occupy and fill the earth” (mil’u et ha’aretz) – implies inhabiting and stewarding the earth, not starting a population immediately.
“Exercise stewardship / govern” (kivshuha u’rdu) – emphasizes dominion and responsibility over creation, not reproduction.
The curse of painful childbirth (Genesis 3:16) happens after the fall, showing that actual sexual reproduction and the hardships associated with it were not yet in effect.
The Hebrew text does not say “go have sex and start producing children immediately.” It is a cosmic blessing and long‑term mandate for humanity to eventually multiply and steward creation, not an order for instant sexual activity. Most people completely miss that God exists outside of linear time. Revelation itself testifies to this when it states that the Book of Life already contained the names of the redeemed before creation even began - before the Garden, before Satan, before anything. This demonstrates that God is not bound by a timeline and already knows all things before they occur. That is the essence of omniscience.
Most so-called Christians think of God in a completely haphazard and illogical way, applying their own limitations to the Creator. God has zero limits. God can do anything, even make a tree that produces human children. God already knew Adam and Eve would fall before Satan even showed up in the Garden. This was all a test of free will. That is why Christ said Adam failed because he fell for Satan's deception. Don’t fall for it yourself. Stop imagining God as some old bearded man in the sky. That is a childish notion, no more real than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.
Mind blown! Although, it does explain something I've wondered about for quite some time.
After Cain killed Abel, and God curses him, (I'm obviously paraphrasing here) Cain becomes afraid of what others might do to him once they catch wind that he's a murderer. If this is the "first" family in the world, and at this point down from four to three because Abel is now dead, who are these people Cain is afraid of and where did they come from?
Exactly.
I’ve always believed what you say here to be true. ‘Be fruitful and multiply.’ was indeed a long term mandate for humanity.
I admit I do not know everything but one thing I am certain of: Scripture was edited to serve an agenda and my life's work has been to expose these inconsistencies.
I’ve always believed that although God preserves the fundamental truth and message of the Scriptures, Satan has used his minions to alter certain aspects of it.
Devoured not devoted
I disagree as like you yourself stated to indeed stop limiting Heavenly father Almighty Creator God whom with all things are possible and that it is impossible for the Most High avca father Creator God to lie, that also means in His miraculous ability in preserving his word and even within certain translations not of the original Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. And there are many facts that show God's divine seal upon the bible as the scriptires inspired by Hi.
And something else for you to consider prayerfully as well ; do you honestly think that is heavenly father's heart to have babies as fruit that his human creation though certainly as Eve was deceived by satan and her own fleshly carnal desires would then choose to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the fact Adam & Eve were both created in and after God's image and likeness, His character and nature to want to eat another human let alone baby would just come across as too obvious as an aberration. I know heavenly father and He says that human sacrifice has never even entered into his heart, so to enable Eve and Adam to eat from a tree He created and put in the paradise to be actual human babies as fruit to be devoted cannabalised and eaten makes Heavenly father just absolutely not congruent with His very nature or character ultimately.......
You’re missing the point entirely. The article is based on the textual and symbolic evidence in the Hebrew Bible and the occult knowledge of pre-fall conditions. Genesis shows that childbirth only becomes a curse after the fall, which strongly implies that human reproduction as we know it did not exist beforehand. The “fruit” of the tree as an infant is a logical extension of this fact.
Your claims about God’s character, cannibalism, and literal morality do not address the textual or symbolic evidence. If you want to engage, focus on the Hebrew and the logic of pre-fall humanity, not your assumptions about what God “would” or “wouldn’t” do.
Well heavenly father reveals all. And I do get the point completely, I understand what is being postulated here, and it's not new, this has been around for many eons and centuries, but this is simplly an opinion and conjecture and not necessarily the absolute truth as only Heavenly father is all truth. And if that is truly the case for a husband and wife to be forbidden yo have intimacy then why did He give the same command to indeed multiply to have children and inhabit the earth to Noah, and his sons and daughters in law after He destroyed all of humanity but Noah and his family of 7 others? Considering what happened in your version and understanding of events why would Heavenly father bless that as normal to procreate of it was an aberration of His creative design? Why continue such an aberration after the flood?
At no point does Lily say that God condemns intimacy among married couples. You are inserting your own incorrect interpretations into the text.
And nowhere in the inspired by God himself scriptures does it state it is forbidden for a Godly husband and a Godly wife to be intimate and have children in that God designed given ordained way as wrong. Only outside of that Godly arrangement is it a disgusting defilement and aberration. Surely if that is not Heavenly father's heart surely we would have been instructed even within the new covenant that marriage and having children within the confines of that to for it and not to have children. Even by His spirit has not revealed that within marriage it is disgusting and a sin to have children. Though am personally very happy remaining chaste celibate and single as have no interest in those carnal desires heavenly father permits within the confines of a holy matrimony that He himself created and ordained.
Heavenly Father, as abba father Creator God! So sorry and many apologies typo! Typing too fast and hence making careless errors. .
Keep going. Facts plz extremely crucial innerstanding‼️
Lily what is up with the weird people pears? Are those real or is that AI generated?
I thought that was interesting myself, but strange, they look like 🍐 pears! I can see human infants looking like that!
But to me, I always thought the fall of Adam and Eve was because Eve had sexual intercourse with Satan and got pregnant with Cain, as Able was Adam's! So maybe after Eve tasted human flesh, she did have sex with Satan and got pregnant with Cain??
Some scholars claim that Lucifer actually raped Eve and that Cain was his offspring. I don’t even want to open that can of worms… That is a long topic that will just offend most of the people reading our work.
Yeah, maybe sadly, people will get offended! But if people want to understand the truth they need to look at everything,all sides of the events that took place, even the uncomfortable topics that offend too, this is how we learn!
Agreed. So many people have been schooled that demons don't exist anymore. They also only see God's pleasant side if that makes sense. They forget that He is the same God all through scripture and that He has many sides that we should fear especially when we do evil. Gods wrath is nothing to take lightly and that is what these evil psychopaths will taste one day.
It takes awhile to understand the depth of evil men will sink to for power and wealth. Nothing is off limits.
I get very weary of all the churchy speak and such pains to not offend anyone. People choose to be offended.
100%
Asking your permission: as most of my Chinese people readers do not know much English, can I translate it into English and share?
Yes please do!
Very deep, thank you. I’ve shared with my Bible study group and particularly to my husband.
Abortion mania makes much more sense in this context - 60 million to Ba'al from priests in white jackets.
"The Canaanite worship of Baal centered on child sacrifice. "
I'm still in the middle of reading this article, but I wanted to say it's refreshing to see someone say "centered on" instead of "centered around."
1st Timothy 1:4 and Titus 3:9 talk about the dangers of endless geneologies. Maybe (just speculating) the Bible story focusing on Adam and Eve as being the parents of all humanity on earth is a way to throw us off and sever our connection with our Creator. I do believe the Bible's energy signature has held steady and it's a critical resource for us, but it can also be tampered with. Some weird coincidences I've noticed--the schmovid vaccines are known to have snake venom in them--a snake plays a main role in the story of Adam and Eve. Maybe reptilian bodies are the only types of bodies demonic entities can fully inhabit(?) Maybe snake venom affects our spiritual discernment(?) I've read that Ozempic has either lizard or snake venom in it (can't confirm it)--but it seems interesting to me that Ozempic has become so popular in these evil times, it appeals to people's vanities, and it's use has become extremely popular. I'm certain none of this is coincidental and is by design to spiritually harm us. Also, there are creepy illustrations from around the 1800's with babies growing on plants and in peapods and such. Don't know if that means anything, but that came to mind after reading this article.
The 19th-century plant babies is actually what partially inspired this deep drive. That and the Cabbage Patch Kids of the 1980s.
This article is nice and has some truth in it but remember, Babylon thrives on half-truths and inaccurate rabbit holes. The core argument of this article is simply not true for several reasons:
1. Language check: The Hebrew word used in Genesis 3 is peri פרי (fruit), which always means produce, yield, or literal fruit. Children are never called peri they’re called zera זרע (seed) or banim (sons). So the whole “fruit = humans” theory collapses right there.
2. Covenant logic: God commanded Adam and Eve to “be fruitful and multiply” (Gen 1:28). Multiplication was a blessing before the fall. If they had literally eaten human offspring, that command would make zero sense.
3. The actual curse: Genesis 3:16 says, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing.” The curse was not “childbirth itself,” but the pain, blood, and struggle that now surround it. That’s a massive difference.
4. Babylon’s inversion: This theory is basically Molech-flavored propaganda. It trains people to think of children as consumables and makes motherhood feel inherently cursed rather than holy. That’s exactly how Babylon disarms the womb and mocks God’s design.
5. The real battlefield: The serpent targeted the womb because through woman’s seed would come the Messiah who crushes his head (Gen 3:15). Every birth became contested ground after Eden, but it’s also the pathway of salvation. That’s why Mary’s “yes” flipped the curse into victory.
Half-truths sound spicy, but they’re just Babylon’s way of pulling you off mission. The womb isn’t cursed it’s weaponized. That’s why the dragon still rages against it (Rev 12)
And as for that “divine spark” line, careful. That’s dangerous slippery slope into Gnostic territory. The choice in Eden wasn’t about recognizing a spark of divinity it was about covenant obedience vs rebellion. Period.
I appreciate the thoughtful response. You clearly know the text and you are engaging in good faith. But I think you are making some assumptions about language and context that deserve a closer look.
Peri (fruit) vs. zera (seed): It is true that peri typically means produce, but in Hebrew (like most ancient languages) words are often applied symbolically or metaphorically depending on context. For example, “fruit of the womb” (Deut 7:13; Psalm 127:3) shows that peri can refer to children in a figurative sense. The leap from peri to “offspring” is not as far-fetched as you are suggesting.
Timing of multiplication: The command to “be fruitful and multiply” was given, but the actual outworking of that blessing is only described after the fall, when reproduction becomes tied to pain and mortality. The fact that childbirth itself was cursed suggests something about reproduction fundamentally shifted. Before the fall, it did not function in the way we now experience it.
The curse: You are right that Genesis 3:16 emphasizes multiplied pain, but the Hebrew is ambiguous enough to allow for more than just physical pain. It can encompass sorrow, toil, or hardship tied to the entire reproductive process. That is where the theory explores deeper symbolic possibilities.
Babylon argument: I agree that Molech and Babylon invert truth, but that does not automatically mean exploring the symbolic dimension of Genesis is propaganda. If anything, exposing hidden meanings in the text can be a way of undoing Babylon’s narrative control.
Battlefield of the womb: I fully agree with you here. The seed of the woman is central to redemption history. That is exactly why the fruit and reproduction link is important. Eden sets the stage for the contested womb all the way through Revelation 12.
As for the “divine spark” line, I hear you. My intention is not to drift into Gnosticism, but to show that the life-giving force itself comes from God. Scripture supports this: Leviticus 17:11 states, “For the life of the flesh is in the blood,” and Deuteronomy 12:23 reiterates, “Only be sure that you do not eat the blood, for the blood is the life.” These passages explain why God strictly forbids the consumption of blood. If blood were merely biological, such a prohibition would lack deeper meaning. The repeated divine warnings suggest something sacred - something metaphysical - resides in the blood.
This is why vampirism is not merely myth. It reflects real occult practices that seek to manipulate or consume that God-given life force. We are not inventing these ideas for shock value; they are grounded in scriptural principles and historical spiritual realities.
I value your pushback. It helps refine the theory and keep it grounded.
Respect to your response you’re engaging with the text seriously. But here’s where I have to push back hard, because this is where Babylon’s half-truths creep in if we’re not surgical with covenant language.
Peri vs Zera
Yes, “fruit of the womb” is a biblical metaphor but note carefully: the Hebrew construction always qualifies it (fruit of the womb, fruit of the land). The base word peri on its own refers to literal produce unless context adds the metaphor. Genesis 3 never adds that qualifier. So to read “peri” as “offspring” without it is importing something the text doesn’t say. That’s a hermeneutical leap Babylon loves—taking a metaphor from one passage and smuggling it into another.
Timing of multiplication
Multiplication wasn’t delayed until after the fall. Adam and Eve’s bodies were designed to reproduce before sin. The curse in Genesis 3:16 doesn’t initiate childbirth, it intensifies it: “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing.” The Hebrew makes it clear, God didn’t invent the process at that point, He multiplied the pain of an existing design.
The curse and sorrow
True the Hebrew word covers both pain and sorrow but tying this to “eating unborn children” is where the symbolic reading goes off the rails. The actual context defines the curse: pain in conception and birth. To stretch it into “maybe the fruit was consuming embryos” is not just symbolism it’s a distortion that blurs covenant clarity.
Babylon
Exploring symbols isn’t wrong. But Babylon specializes in exactly this move: turn covenant boundaries into free-form “hidden meanings.” The Torah isn’t a riddle book, it’s an operational manual. If God says fruit of a tree, He means fruit of a tree. The serpent’s first tactic was to make the Word “open-ended” (Gen 3:1: Did God really say?)
Womb
We agree here completely: the womb is central. But here’s the critical difference, Genesis doesn’t equate the fruit with embryos. It sets up the womb as contested ground through the promise of seed (Gen 3:15). Mary becomes the reversal not because Eve ate “children-fruit,” but because she bore the Seed who would crush the serpent.
Divine spark
Blood is sacred yes. But “life is in the blood” isn’t a license to drift into mystical “spark” language that’s textbook Gnostic slope. Scripture treats life as God’s breath and blood as its vessel (Gen 2:7, Lev 17:11). To call it a “divine spark” blurs the Creator/creature distinction. That’s why Paul warns against “profane myths” (1 Tim 4:7). Vampirism as occult practice is real, but Scripture doesn’t frame it as “consuming God’s spark” it frames it as desecrating blood that belongs to Him alone.
Eden was about covenant obedience not cryptic metaphors about embryo fruit. When we drift from the plain meaning of Torah into speculative symbol chains, we risk replaying the serpent’s move, making God’s command sound like a puzzle instead of a boundary.
The womb is a battlefield, but not because Eve ate babies. It’s because God decreed the woman’s Seed would crush the serpent’s head. That’s the war line and that’s where the gospel fires back.
And also read my latest article about God’s love, the fruit was more of a discipline and love test. It’s not as complicated as the serpent is trying to make it.
This is my kind of multiculturalism. Great job.
This report explains in detail the first act of cannibalism by Adam and Eve
https://robertstanley.substack.com/p/meet-the-father-of-lies
Anyone that actually puts forth any concerted effort into analyzing the Genesis narrative will arrive at the same conclusion. The Bible proves through its content that the soul of man lay within the blood. The consumption of blood, literal vampirism, is the source of all necromantic energy. That tiny spark of God’s Light that brings consciousness and motive power to what would otherwise just be a lump of flesh is transmuted by the occultist into ‘magick’ hence Lucifer/NAHASH telling Eve that consuming the ‘fruit’ would make her ‘as God’.
Here is what I would learn later in life after many years of research
https://robertstanley.substack.com/p/spiritual-parasites
I agree. And that’s why blood sacrifices are essential to empowering those that serve the Dark Side.
Use this link to read about my experience with blood sacrifice
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ekflqc13n225nh8/CHAPTER+ONE.pdf/file
Interesting. I say it has merit for consideration. It actually will explain much of many things I ponder upon. Thank you for sharing your work.
I appreciate these words.
This hypothesis Could provide clarity to the mystery of the seeming obsession in Judeo Christian religion with reproductive biology. A mandatory trait shared by all advanced life forms on earth the practice of which is highly constrained in rule and doctrine and associated with manifold forms of sinful behavior and even “original sin.” I don’t claim to Know what Truth there is in This Hypothesis but it certainly is a novel “take” on the relationship between God and Man.
Well, since I am not scholarly in the Bibble ... but love listening to those that are, I sent this to a very scholarly friend and wordsmith. We must be clear and I love sharing with others so we all learn together with open minds and hearts as our guiding light. My friend replied with this:
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I do not doubt reference to cannibalism in the By Ba'al. But the reference to Genesis 3:5 is incorrect. According to the "story"...EVE had no "infant or child" at this point.
Cain + Abel.....Kain-A-Ba'al....
Cana = priest
Ba'al = alleged pagan god and child sacrifice
Vatic-Cana ....Vatic = Vedic = Vater = Pater = Fader = Father....YEP
Cana ... Canna = Cananites = Ba'al Worshipping Priest
Vatican is the Father Priesthood....
Pater = Peter..."the Rock of the Church"
God always needed a ROCK
Islam has the Kaba Stone....and worship Allah....or Kab-Allah.
But, in Christianity...they eat the flesh of god and wash it down with the blood of a god...Jesus "eat my flesh and drink my blood".
Symbolically....Cannibalism ... The EUCHARIST....or You - Christ. Ka-Rist Kai-Rist or Rest....
They even pronounce it "You Car Rest". Car = Char....to burn.
Peri can mean to "be fruitful"....but; not Gen 3. Whoever wrote this..."put the cart before the horse". Cain was said to "bring Yahweh the fruit of the ground". That implies veges...not blood. Of course; if he killed Abel...A Ba'al...and then ate him...the Cain Abel applies. But that is still not "Frute of the Womb"
Ha...."Fruit of the Womb"....sound like an underwear ad.[it does! 😂]
Lily never said that she had an infant child already. She is claiming that the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is what was producing the fruit itself. That mankind was never intended to reproduce through sexual intercourse and that part of the fall of man was the curse of childbirth.
I am not saying I agree with her interpretation but I do find it interesting and I am a professional Biblical scholar and some of your 'interpretations' sound like you should do a little more research than simply relying on phonetic clues and flights of fancy.
For example, The name "Vatican' comes from an Etruscan fertility goddess named Vatica - who some scholars believe is another identity of Inanna/Ishtar/Asherah/Lilith/Whore of Babylon. I was raised Catholic, my ancestors were Vatican knights, my family actually had regular meetings with Pope John Paul II for some reason that was never fully explained to me. My point is, I was fully enveloped in Catholicism from a young age and intended on becoming a priest. However, I soon began to notice that the Catholic Church seemed more interested in wealth and power than God and I became disillusioned with the faith by the time I was a teenager. I now believe it is, absolutely, a continuation of Roman paganism hidden behind the thin veneer of being a Church of God.
However, I did want to add that you are dead on about Cain-Abel-ism and that right there adds to the credence of what Lily is saying.
The Roman Empire never fell, it just reinvented itself through the Vatican!
Oh I did not know, thank you for the clarification. And thank you for sharing more of who you are and your background, with all due respect, I appreciate it. This line of inquiry fascinates me. I am glad you took notice and changed directions.
Is it not also called the Tree of Life? The fact that they were allowed to eat from any tree, except the tree of life does seem to carry some weight here.
My friend, Mr. Williams, replied to this, which again, I find this line of inquiry fascinating. I love hearing the scholarly views because I am a late bloomer in the field of study, yet, here I am and care about these kindly, yet, open and honest discussions.
Mr. Williams' reply, and please forgive the tone at times, he does have a great sense of humor and his own views that I don't always agree with but is a dear friend. Oh, and by the way, he was approached by the "Knights of Malta" to join them with a large payment ... he turned it down :)
This is his reply to your comment my friend, 'The Wise Wolf'....
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"First...THERE ARE NO RELIGIONS. Every religion ever "created"...aka given to people to BA'AL EVE in"...was created for Political Purpose to implement, foster and nurture...THE DIVIDE AND CONQUER STRATEGY OF THE ELITES...or perhaps the Phoenicians. They were the original and became the most powerful culture...as an Admiralty Trading Society. Phoenician swords have been found in Arizona (the Arid Zone) near you. This is why you have the city named "The Phoenix".
They controlled the PHOEN NET TICS...that's why it's a NET...to "fish in the men"....
[pamela adds: When I see the word 'internet'? I see it as the 'NET' capturing the 'INNER'
INNER = 'between' or 'among' or 'within'.
So, the Internet as: The NET is capturing your WITHIN.
Hope this makes sense? ]
"Man Kine or Moon Kine. Kine means Cattle; or katt-El as there was no "C". The symbol "C" is the "crescent moon" that represents "Lucifer" or the Dark Adversary. The Moon is Dark and has no "light of its own" and must be "lit up" or "enlightened"....by the Illumine Na Ti .... who are NaTive.
The Pope is the "Father Priest"...the "Vicar of Christos/Chrestus" (or whatever other derivation that anyone wants to use...since the Vow-Els are and have been interchangeable throughout "In fin Na Ti"....In Pheon Na Ty".
...They have used the Pater/Peter (Peter is High English phonetics) to control the Pope-ulations via the Legal Doctrine of Pater Patriae...whereby the Pater or King or Monarch...the Vicar (Vic-tor power of the Vicar) must "take control of all the LUNA-TICS"...aka Moon-Kind...because "they are insane".
Today, this is found in US CODE: TITLE 1; SECTION 1....the very first "definition" (the phoenician) in the US CODE is "insane and insane person". The word: sane...in relation to "all Acts of Congress"....is found nowhere "in the code".
If you read: ELEMENTS OF ECCLESIASTICAL LAW (3 volume set); you find out that whatever the Pope proclaims as "law" on this planet...if it is posted by the Vatican Media Outlet called: THE PROPAGANDA...then it become "law of the planet within 60 days". This is because Catholic means "universal"; aka 'the one world belief". Research shows that all of these alleged "major religions" have their roots based in Zoroaster and his "philosophy".
How was this spread? Oh yeah....THE PRO-PAGAN-DUH....because the Pope or "Holy Father" defines what "pagan" means; and then syncretized every single "pagan religion" to create the Central Controlling "Rhea Legions".....the "mother of many gods".
Their scribes have controlled the diction and the "diction-aires". Secure; archaic meaning: "unwisely free from fear". Today, it means..."Safe".
How does this manifest today? You "buy Securities" to "bond/bind" yourself to "DET...DEAD...DEATH...OR DEBT" based "Money" (they put the Moon's Eye right on the "Bill" or Papal Bull.) Does this "feel safe"...or is everyone "unwisely free from fear".
Pamela, I could play the "Pheo Net Ti....or Pheon Nt Ti -C's" game all day. But, I don't have time.
I am attaching SECRET HISTORY OF THE JESUITS published in 1975 by Edmund Paris. I'm also attaching my latest of my "curations" on AI about the 3 Control (false) Concepts and the 2 Overriding Elite Mechanisms. I would like that kept FYO...and confidential. I am not ready to release it...yet. Needless to say; when I engage AI...I am always (at first) confront with some form of Human False Narrative. That is ...INEVITABLE; since the "database" is full of human bullshit, fake knowledge, propaganda, and false "Theo Ries".
The Jesuits determined to create World War 3 directly after World War 2 ended. Their plans are long term. Albert Pike wrote about having 3 world wars in 1871. He was the Grand Master of the American Lodge. BTW: Ameri Kai...comes from Amaru...the god of the Amorites found throughout the Tribes of South and later North Amaruca. It means "land or power of Amaru".
They...."co-opt" the names and turn them back on the "BA'AL EVE-ers". As I was told..."it's a great big cosmic joke". The joke is on those that "ba'al eve" that this FAR SMART MATRIX SYSTEM ... is "real". Delusion is real...the "mind" of "men/moons" makes it real. "They" told everyone in that mooooo-V..."if you die in the Matrix...you die in the Real World".
I have "no beef" with anyone. It is humanity that is "at fault"....for "buying the Papal Bull Shyte". 8 Billion "religions or rhea legions" on this planet....and
EVERYONE'S RIGHT....JUST ASK THEM.
The "Etruscans" were Phoenician in their origins; and "controlled the Money Trust" of Rome. A Truss...or A Trust; such as the Global C'estui Que Trust.
A Trust Cana....They were the Priests...aka the Praetors or Pray/prey Tors. Tor = Toro = Thor = Power. The Power of the Bull; El Toro for El Papa.
The Priest "prey" and they "prophecy" as Profits of God and...to the Vicar goes the spoils.
These are the ones that "bribed Brutus/Judas" to kill JC....Julius Caesar...aka the KaiZhar. NO 'C'....until later...RE Member.
I am including some "AI info" on this matter...not that its relevant to me. There's been plenty of lies and pro pagan mythos (DUH) put out by the Jesuits, since 1574...to last anyone's lifetime. They only "expanded the lies"...so that ALL MOON KINE would "buy the lies" and "deceive themselves". There is not other deception besides Self Deception...because deception does not exist until the moment you buy the lie or swallow THE PROPAGANDA.
A couple of points (apologies, it's a long comment).
You start your essay by saying: "Scholars have assumed apples or pomegranates for centuries, but these are cultural additions. Genesis itself remains silent. This absence isn’t accidental. When ancient texts deliberately withhold information this fundamental, it suggests knowledge too dangerous for common understanding."
You also say that 'be fruitful and multiply' is a "cosmic" command from God not necessarily implying that people must immediately start to have sexual relationships and have children.
On the first point, Genesis is clear that the fruit is of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and that it is poisonous bringing death to those who eat it. The tree was in Eden, the same Eden Adam and Eve were expelled out of after the fall and God issued His curses. My point is: even if Genesis told you the name of the fruit and the tree or plant it grew on, you would not have a clue about which one it could be since humans have not experienced Eden ever since. Genesis already tells you all you need to know. The fruit was of the 'knowledge of good and evil', and eating it would kill you. These are unwavering truths which Satan tries to disguise but acknowledges indirectly since he says that by eating it Eve (and Adam) will become like God knowing of good and evil but that 'you will not die'. That was Satan's dream, to be like God, to take His place. With Adam and Eve he just wanted to get some accomplices to disrupt God's plan for His Creation, which he did. As you well imply in your comments, no one can be like God, that is why trying to be like Him as Satan tried and Adam and Eve attempted in eating of the forbidden fruit brought death into their lives and ours. That is why God forbid it. We have all the information we need, we don't need either the name of the fruit or its provenance. We know what it does, it kills.
On the second point, life in Eden, had Adam and Eve not fallen, was meant to turn eternal. It did not because of the fall. Death entered the equation. But the average length of the live of the people, from Adam onwards up until the flood and Noah, was much longer than what the average life of a human is today by hundreds of years. As you also see in Genesis, most people only started having children after a long period of time. So it is perfectly likely that Adam and Eve never had any sexual relations before eating of the forbidden fruit and that, once expelled out of Eden, they would feel the consequences of death in the curses their fall brought on them. A "cosmic" command from God embodying His plan for the earth and sentient life on it does not preclude or contradict the Adam and Eve story.
You speak of "logical inconsistency". Two points about that: I cannot see, based on what I've said above, any logical inconsistencies. Only Adam and Even experienced Eden. Only them had the choice to eat of the forbidden of the knowledge of good and evil. They did not have any progeny while in Eden. They were not ashamed of their nakedness which means that, had they had sexual relations and given birth to children as God commanded and planned, the experience would have been Edenic. The cosmic command from God applied logically then and only Adam and Eve's breaking of God's command triggered shame, pain, toil and their by-product: death outside Eden. All birth known to women since has been achieved in pain. It's all logical.
Secondly, if God "has zero limits", if He is not 'the man with a beard', how can we even attempt to apply our logic to Him. The Word of God is about God and His plan for Creation once humans have been introduced as breakers of His commands (sinners). It is not possible for our logic to logically explain His (if He ever needed one).
“Go forth and multiply”.
I agree the apple represents eating human flesh etc.
Adrenochrome….the transfusion of anothers spirit at their most vulnerable.
The abomination.
The eyes open (possesed), they no longer see earthly shame and decency towards God or the Children….(inapropriate clothing, open sexual conduct, defiling, debauchery, pedophilia, ignoring God’s word, listening to dark spirits of deceit etc.).
The Vampiric Damned and their legion (Roman rape ritual initiation.).
Urgghh.
On the side about sex.😂
How can the foundation of creation be wrong?
Sex is a natural and wonderful moment of bliss, a bond of the sacred and divine spark.
When acted in sacred union.
The condemnation is a recent addition to scriptures, more false shame and mockery by the religious hieracy for population control!!!!
The Creator made us perfect, in their image.
Woman was created from the same source to keep man from becoming lonely and desolate.
To help him steward the land and build a family.
To love and to share bliss together, extending the divine creation, forever.
The Garden of Eden.
A divine union of procreation.
A fantastic post, much to think about, all I know, all that the Creator made, was for love and perfect.
Warm regards,
Michael.
This is certainly very interesting and thank you for sharing it & something have contemplated too, but not that the fruit was eating actual babies, and don't agree with all you have stated yet some of your conclusions do agree with concerning cannibalism etc, but am indeed asking Heavenly Father for complete clarification and what does He say and to give me revelation and illumination via his spirit that leads & guides into all truth.
Yet certainly was very interesting to read your viewpoint and understanding, but that we indeed did ultimately enter into a contract with satan who has become the prince of this world, and ruler of the spirit of the power of the air atmosphere, through Adam and Eve's disobedience rebellion and sin & wanting to be their own gods & to rule self, to be their own lord, king and queen and make up their own kingdoms of self governance, and when we ourselves chose to rebel and sin against our very own creator too, and to enter into this system this very world governed by the devil to be able to buy and sell and partake of the fruits of all it's debauchery that it offers. (1/2/3 John).
Because the master builders (inclusive of freemasons) rejected the true builder whom becomes the corner stone Jesus the true King. And then satan justifies through rebellious humans and their obeying their carnal corrupt evil wicked flesh where no good thing resides, & in feeding their flesh through their perpetual sinful desires, fornications, pornography, masturbation, sexual aberrations, homosexuality, transgenderism, beastiality, etc, (Galatians 5), abortions, murder, killing, wars, and child sexual abuse and ritual satanic child and even adult sacrifices to false gods to satan and fallen rebellious entities and demonic spirits, that then enables and empowers this entire system-satan's system of his entire kingdom of darkness, that in whom the God of this age has blinded the thoughts of the unbelieving, that the enlightenment of the gospel of the glory of the Christ, who is God's image, should not dawn upon them, and if the gospel is veiled it is veiled on the perishing 2 Cor 4:4,3, and satans entire system of kingdom of darkness is in complete opposition to Heavenly Father as being Sovereign and only He having the right to rule over His entire creation and universe.
I just really thank Heavenly Father for His unfathomable undeserved love goodness & amazing saving grace every day for Jesus & his atoning sacrificial crucified life death resurrection and ascension whom now sits at the right hand of the father whom has been given all power and authority in heaven and upon this earth who brought all those His back into making our peace with Him, and being delivered from satan's entire system of darkness and Jesus saves us from our sins, and reconciles us back with our true creator maker Heavenly father the Most High and in Jesus the living Christ transforms us so revolutionary, so radically and completely from the inside out, and strips away all the old self and the influences of this world layer by layer to become new creations indwelt, infilled in Christ with circumcised hearts and renewed minds and regenerated hearts.
Even Jesus stated that marriage is between one Godly man as a husband to one Godly wife as a woman, & to be equally yoked (Matt 19:4-12; 2 Cor 6:14), but that any sort of intimacy outside of that Godly arrangement is indeed absolutely perverse, abnormal, ungodly and then not sanctioned nor ordained by Heavenly Father and is deserving of only death.
Yet I honestly cannot find anywhere within the scriptures where heavenly father forbids marriage, and those that do are giving heed to deceiving spirits and teachings of demons, through hypocrisy of lying speakers, their own conscience branded; forbidding to marry....1 Tim 4:1-3 nor that intimacy between a true Godly husband and wife in this fallen state at this time is forbidden, we do find within scripture it stating even they to abstain and fast as a married couple but only for a short time and also encourages a husband and wife to not withhold that intimacy from each other. 1 Corinthians 7:1-7.
Yet Jesus is indeed our role model, and example to walk as He walked to live as He lived as He is brought forth as have been crucified with Christ & it is no longer I who live, but Christ whom now lives in me and what I now live in the flesh I live by faith which is in the Son of God who loved me, & have himself up for me. (Gal 2:20).
And I also do love the analogy of Jesus being our Heavenly holy bridegroom with no perverse boundaries being crossed. Yet also fascinatingly heavenly father uses allegorical metaphorical and via symbology of the profound first encounter of intimacy between a virgin husband with his virgin wife as breaking her veil and then entering into her to become one flesh, (Eph 5) and then through this we can also understand Jesus breaking the veil between the holy and most holy that enabled him and God's holy spirit to enter into all those born again in the spirit and water after his seed, and as the seed itself dies hence we too are crucified died and buried with Christ, the breaking of the outer man of all self, of all pride, arrogance, self reliance, self confidence, selfishness etc, and dying to the old man/woman into the new man woman of newness of the resurrection of spirit life in Jesus Yeshua Mashi Yah, crucified and died to self, self life, crucified to the world and it is to us, to satan and delivered from satan's entire kingdom of darkness into Gods kingdom of the Son of His love and light, that came into the world He being the word made flesh, the invisible God made visible and all those born of spirit recreated and conform more and more into Jesus' same image and likeness by the Lord the spirit, and bear sumptuous mature tasting fruits so others can taste and see that God is indeed good too! And making God the one and only giving Him the pre-eminence and all the glory the power and the Kingdom for it all belongs to Him, and He is to be only highly exalted and enjoyed within a consistent regular holy two way responsive intimate relationship of constant communion fellowship interaction and communication as the lifeblood of profound holy reciprocal compelling impelling love towards one another.