Interesting piece! Having been aware of what the book of Enoch teaches, yet involved in spiritual warfare with Christians largely unaware of these details, I take the things of the book of Enoch with a grain of salt. Some things in there could well be true. Maybe all of it. Maybe none of it.
But whether all of it is, or half, or none, makes no difference to me as a believer.
If you name the Name of Christ, and abide in him, love him, keep his commandments, the evil one cannot touch you, and if he is allowed to, itâs only for your benefit.
Those who pray and call out to God, the Living God for help, WILL receive it, regardless of their knowledge.
I have never once witnessed a lack of esoteric knowledge (regardless of factual accuracy) have an effect on a believers deliverance.
It doesnât affect Gods ability to save at all, even if it is true, so I donât feel any responsibility at all to âmake others awareâ.
Following the Holy Spirit is what we are called to do.
I donât say that to dismiss out of
hand perhaps the occasional usefulness of extra knowledge, only to emphasize that the esoteric is a poor substitute for faith and trust in God.
Loved your comments. They are true!!! However, we are to know the FULL council of God. Jesus knew about our adversary and wants us to know too, otherwise why warn us about powers and principalities. If we know little to nothing about them we donât know what we are fighting (with the help of the Holy Spirit) against, and the adversary has the upper hand. Satan is the deceiver and wants us in the dark about his tactics. Ignorance allows the door to possession or temptation to be wide open.
I believe itâs possible that the book of Enoch is for us, otherwise why would Jesus and others Bible authors have quoted it?
Jesus tells us over and over again to âwatchâ, be âalertâ, âwake upâ, âdonât be asleep â, all being especially necessary in the last days and the end times. (We see this especially in the Olivet Discourse and corresponding parables, Thessalonians, and Revelation). These warnings to be alert are primarily about being aware of the evidence for Jesusâs return. Jesus doesnât want anyone deceived. Gods word says it will be like in the days of Noah in the end times âŠ. The days of Noah were during the days of Enoch!
Youâre right that this knowledge isnât necessary for personal salvation or deliverance. Agree!!!! But, people can be more easily deceived if this information is kept hidden. This deception can lead to possession (people not aware of the true dangers and they dapple in it), and unbelief in Christ due to lack of knowledge and understanding of the true nature of evil. (My people perish due to lack of knowledge). Kind of like how believing in molecules to man evolution and billions of years, deceives many into unbelief of the need for Christ.
Anyway, food for thought. And, I really do love your post. It was so well said!
Thank you for your reply! âMy people perish for lack of knowledge,â true enough. It is true that gaining knowledge at times in specific areas can help free you from strongholds. And it can help bring comfort into making things make sense. Knowledge can also subtly create pride, however. So Iâd hold in tension with that the imperative difference between knowledge and wisdom. Motivation with how and why we seek knowledge is tremendously valuable, and humility in proportion to the accumulation of it. Yet with this topic specifically, even if we do not know everything about our enemy, Jesus of course does, and our faith and prevailing prayer, which takes tenacity and persistence, is of great value, and I believe, even more valuable than our head knowledge about our enemy. (While very interesting).
For someone who is already a Christian, walking in the Spirit is what protects you from falling into a lot of traps, (just read a fantastic piece yesterday about a Christian discovering the origins of the Enneagram) but even if you do, the humility you gain from your dependence on the Lord and needing to be rescued is without price. We are not infallible, and esoteric knowledge itself can begin to create the paradigm that we are somehow less vulnerable.
We shouldnât forget the scripture, âturn this man over to Satan, that he may learn not to blaspheme.â Our enemies have their place.
âThe fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdomâ. If more of us remembered that, there is a great deal we wouldnât touch, and would be cautioned by our conscience into not touching. Unfortunately, the lack of knowledge that causes most to perish, that I can see, is a simple fear of God.
When one fights âagainstâ someone or something it lends credence to that entity. Concentrate your energy being for and not against. Without your resistance they have naught to push against
the Bible may be allegorical but to deny the people who are well attested in history, such as Jesus and His companions, Moses, Peter and Paul, and many others is to deny evidence.
A literal Jesus died for our sins and rose again to prove He is God. Literal people from the Bible were born, lived and died. There were over 500 witnesses to Jesusâs resurrection. Josephus. the Jewish historian (not a Christ follower) recorded much of the same history as the Bible, confirming its accuracy. From whatâs been found, thereâs archeological evidence that supports the Bibleâs claims 100%. So far there hasnât been any evidence that contradicts the Bible, unless one is looking to lie to prove it wrong.
The Bible is absolutely the literal Truth. It is not an allegory. Jesus walked this earth. He saves and cleanses people today. Just as then. He speaks today, just as He spoke then. Father, Son and Spirit. It is past, present and future, all 3. Ecc.1 and 3 say so.
That is the dogma of Acharya S and other esoteric Aquarian teachings that originate from so called âenlightenedâ teachers who, according to their teachings, converse with other higher beings.
The Bible PREDATES all of these works which do in fact plagiarize including the major religions.
Allah begets no one. But Jesus is the only begotten, Son, and according to Hebrews 1, the EXACT Representation of His Father.
BTW, do believe that the Bible is literal, not allegorical, but I don't state this in order to rile you up; after all, as you state in another comment, that is my belief.
Another of my beliefs is that we are to go out and spread the Gospel (ie., the Good News) - I don't believe that we are called upon to browbeat people into submission, but just to inform them that there is a Gospel.
The vast majority of people know that there is a Gospel and they also know the name of Jesus - whether or not they personally believe that any of it is true or not. This makes things tricky, as we either don't bother telling people (because they're already aware of it) or we adopt the browbeating method! (There are some who have figured out how to do it right, so I bless those people.)
For my part, I am encouraged that you said that the meanings are true enough, even though you dispute the details. We here on earth cannot change you, only the Holy Spirit can: if you allow the Holy Spirit to speak to you, He will guide you (note that I'm not predicting that He will tell you that my way of seeing things is 'the' right way - maybe He will tell you that you are already on the right track, who knows?), but be sure to give Him a chance to speak.
All this is just a suggestion: I'm just some guy on Substack, not An Authority to be obeyed! Hope your day is going well...
They missed the message that we are to subdue and take dominion. They have been taught to sleep rather than rise.
Matt. 16:18. Binding and Loosing. And Matt. 12:12 The Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force. These are dominion governmental actions. They are not allowed in the teaching church to be understood as aggressive overwhelming intercession.
They are that way because most teaching churches do not allow the Prophetic or that the pastor confuses the two offices (pastor and prophet). The Office of the Teaching pastor is not the office of the Prophet. The fruit of the teaching church is Pre-Trib rapture, which was only added 300 yrs ago by Scofield and Darby. That Bible went into the Bible schools. King James took out references to the Ekklesia, which is the governing, legislative body of Christ. Other scriptures still decree a thing but the teaching church still doesn't get it, doesn't believe it and doesn't see it. Two different realms. One active. One passive. I was in a teaching, evangelist church. I am now in an Apostolic and prophetic church. It is night and day.
Those who Bind, Loose. Command, are those who move mountains.
The fruit of the Apostolic and Prophetic is activism. A prophet is without honor in His own house does not only speak of Israel but the body of Christ. Kings did nothing without their Prophet. That is all through the OT.
Keep your eyes fixed upon Jesus Christ, the author and perfecter of our faith. It is only through him, and the mighty power of his name that is above all names, that we are victorious against evil principalities and powers.
âBut seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness, and all these things shall be ministered unto you.â (Matt6)
My comment is going to sound unscholarly simple and probably rated as an idiot gullible Bible Belt Christian who knows nothing But I do have a view of my God after years of His faithfulness in guiding me along the 50+ years I have known Him.
I am sure there is a measure of truth in your findings but and I say BUT because God would not have left anything out that I needed to know to keep faith in Him, to love Him, to be faithful to Him. If He had seen the need to have the Enoch book meant to be in the full cannon of scripture you can bank on it that it would be in our Bible. Though these are definitely the last of the last days our eyes need to be fixed , as never before needed, on Jesus Christ. To start instituting a gaze going elsewhere is asking for trouble. (maybe Enoch is esoteric?).
Yes God told Daniel to close the book Daniel he was writing and go his way, certainly then God would open to manâs understanding what certain things meant Daniel would never understand (helicopters maybe?) But the things the Spirit makes understandable as things wax worse and worse is not to veer from focusing dead center on Gods truth as given in our Bible.
I do not need to now spend hours and hours trying to verify my theology and understand the book of Enoch. But I do need to pray for the things at hand, to love those around me and keep the command to â watchâ for my Lord.â (Matt 24, Luke 21, 2Tim, Jude, and Ro 1and on.). Time better spent being a Berean dealing with all the crazy rabbit trails Satan is enticing modern day people to go down. (Paul said he was not ignorant of Satanâs schemes and thatâs about it concerning speaking of evil/Satan).
Take the elements of truth out and ignore the rest. Time will tell and test this book of Enoch but remember time is short and we are to be about the Fatherâs business and that is the Great Commission.
I understand your perspective, and I respect your devotion, but it is important to clarify that what most people consider the biblical canon today was not divinely dictated in a single, unbroken act. The books included in our Bibles were assembled by humans, often centuries after the texts were written, by imperfect men, sometimes influenced by politics, theology, or the needs of their communities.
The exclusion of texts like the Book of Enoch does not necessarily reflect divine rejection, but rather the human processes of selection, translation, and preservation. Godâs truth is not limited to what was politically or institutionally included in a canon. Many early Christians and scholars used and referenced these works, and they influenced theology, liturgy, and apocalyptic thought for centuries.
Focusing on Jesus and loving others is absolutely central, but acknowledging the human role in canon formation does not diminish Godâs authority or your faith. It simply gives a more accurate understanding of the history behind the Bible we have today.
Be careful you do not get tangled up in theology and miss the main thing. The Bible is Gods Letter. God is infallible and so would be quite able to get said perfectly what He wanted even centuries apart. Time is nothing to Him.
I do not ever believe God would allow any error to be allowed from simple men writing what would be used for centuries upon centuries to be His voice of direction etc. Fishermen would be our last choice to get something we said right. Can you imagine? Really funny and yet amazingly profound. We cannot camp on the idea God would miss anything. Some other things do add to our understanding but the weight of it is not to be added as though doctrine.
So, let me be clear. You are asserting that the decisions of church leaders, centuries after Christ and the apostles, carry more authority than the firsthand witnesses who actually wrote the New Testament Gospels? The very individuals who lived, taught, and saw the events themselves are considered subordinate to men long removed from the source?
I don't mean to sound rude. Your understanding of the politics of religion is naive. Canonization was never a neutral or purely spiritual process. It was always deeply entangled with power, influence, and human agendas.
Which canon, exactly, do you claim is âdirectly from Godâ? History shows dozens of competing biblical canons. Many omit key sections of the Hebrew scriptures, the original texts from which the Bible derives. The process was neither uniform nor divinely dictated, yet you treat the choices of centuries-later men as if they were indisputable divine authority.
For example, the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures used by early Christians, included books that do not appear in the later Masoretic Text, the foundation of the Protestant Old Testament. These include:
Tobit
Judith
Wisdom of Solomon
Sirach (Ecclesiasticus)
Baruch
1 and 2 Maccabees
These texts were part of the Christian Old Testament until the Reformation, when figures like Martin Luther removed them for not being part of the Hebrew Bible. Yet these books were widely used by early Christians and included in the Latin Vulgate, the Western Churchâs standard Bible for over a millennium.
So who exactly was the âdivine editorâ that received Godâs direct instructions on what to include? The Council of Laodicea? The 40+ scholars hired by King James who compiled the KJV? Joseph Smith, who claimed an angel gave him the Book of Mormon? Muhammad, who claimed the Quran was delivered by Gabriel? Which one of these is the authoritative divine editor?
Let me guess, it is the Bible you use that is the 'correct Bible that God wrote', right?
Additionally, many early Christian writings such as the Didache, 1 Clement, and the Epistle of Barnabas were highly regarded by early communities but ultimately excluded from the canon. These texts offer important insights into early Christian theology and practice.
The formation of the biblical canon was influenced by theological disputes, political pressures, and the practical need for standardized texts for liturgy. Different Christian traditions recognized different canons, reflecting the complex, human-driven history of how the Bible was assembled.
To claim that the current canon is the definitive and divinely ordained collection of books ignores these historical realities. Recognizing the human element in canon formation does not diminish the authority of scripture. It simply provides a more accurate and nuanced understanding of its origins.
So what you are âpreppingâ me for is to include Enoch into legitimate theological usage and value. Thatâs your bottom line it seems to me. All the notes you gave are very scholarly and you have done a ton of research and I do not doubt the accuracy. But today is today and my Bible is comprised of 66 books that
God saw fit to compile. God is not ignorant of other good scripts written but He has ordained that the ones we have are perfect for His work in the believers life today. I donât need more knowledge though very interesting, it does not compel me to use my valuable time digging into âthis or thatâ when life is so full and demanding to live.
I will say I really liked the history you gave. Information of this sort gives depth to understanding. For that thank you. The Lord God reigns.
Yes, of course, God Himself descended from Heaven to personally endorse the King James Bible. He declared, âBehold, the version commissioned by King James, edited by more than forty Anglican priests, and altered in hundreds of places to suit his monarchy, is the one true Word of God for all time!â Forget the Septuagint, forget the Vulgate, forget the Syriac Peshitta or the Hebrew texts that predate all of it. Ignore the political councils, the centuries of debate, and the fact that dozens of competing canons existed long before King James was even born. No, clearly God waited until 1611 to reveal His eternal Word in perfect English.
You mock which has lowered your standard of communication but what else can you do? If God didnât like (what was being used the world over) do you really think He wouldnât have changed it? Come on either God is sovereign or He is not. Millions of people have come to Christ with what we have so you think we need more to save more? We canât forget what all of life is about once we know our Savior.
All of what you offer is very interesting and helpful from time to time but thatâs it. By the way men used a special criteria to authenticate if a book would be included in the Bible. It was not the influences they were under, the pressures, whatever but on the leading of the Holy Spirit. You cannot base this on menâs lives but on the influence of the Holy Spirit. To undermine that is almost blasphemous.
Dottie, well said. I too believe that God is infallible and gave us what we need for salvation in His word!!! 100%.
I also believe that God can use other reliable literary works for additional understanding ( Josephus, the Jewish historian, for example). Enoch makes sense as an additional source of information because Jesus and Jude referenced and quoted from it. Itâs the only missing book from the canon that is like that.
Also, since Enoch never died (was taken up alive), God obviously has a very special plan for him. Enoch was loved and trusted by God and is likely one of the 2 witnesses during the great tribulation. (Elijah is likely the other one since he too never died and was taken up alive.) We are all appointed to die once.. Since they never died, they will probably be the ones who come back as the 2 witnesses, and die after 1260 days, (since all must die once) then be raptured after 3.5 days. (Rev 11) I say this due to Enoch having a relationship with the Living God that only one other person had.
Also, the end times are to be like in the days of Noah. Enoch lived in those days. I believe Enoch may be insight for us in this time that is close to Jesusâs return.
I donât know whether it should or shouldnât be in the canon, but I think if Jesus and Jude quoted it, and Enoch was important enough in Gods plan to âraptureâ him without dying, maybe what Enoch says is important.
Blessings! Love your deep faith! Iâm just presenting food for thought. đ
Thanks for your insight and kind words. All of our lives are consumed by living for God. Yes other books may be helpful as macabees but they do not read at all with the high standard of our 66 books. In this day we have to be very vigilant we do not drift away as Satan knows his time is limited and as scrip says he comes to steal, kill and destroy. And destroy a pleasant walk with God will upset and spread like gangrene. For that itâs time to draw a line between what is valuable and what is distracting.
You do realize that the head of the Church of England is not just a religious figure, but a monarch historically deeply involved in occult practices. King James I, who commissioned the King James Bible, wrote Daemonologie and consulted astrologers and magicians. Elizabeth I maintained a court magician, John Dee, who advised on both esoteric and political matters. Queen Victoria was connected to Babylonian and Mesopotamian occult traditions. The KJV was not handed down from God in perfect form. It was commissioned by a king to reinforce his power, translated by over forty Anglican clergy, and intentionally polished to sound poetic and authoritative. Hundreds of changes were made to scripture to support the monarchy and consolidate control. The KJV is a tool of political propaganda disguised in beautiful language, and the occult entanglements of its patrons show it was also a tool of spiritual deception. Claiming it is the literal word of God ignores centuries of human intervention, manipulation, and hidden agendas. Your Bible was written by witches.
I can hardly read your replies any longer as they have digressed to the point of distortion that should be noted. I do not hear your heart but only what youâve studied. I do not recognize the Lord in your voice. Thatâs fine but unless you are hungry for God this whole dialogue is about you proving your point⊠the Bible is errant, God did not correct that before we his followers could trust it. Thatâs the point here isnât it? So whose side are you espousing? Time for me to exit and hope you find what youâre looking for.
No, it does not. At no point does it say this. I am a professional Biblical scholar that has published hundreds of articles and books on scriptural analysis. What you are speaking of is delusional New Age fantasy.
It is literally the foundation of Satanism.
No living person knows what God is. That is the entire point but one thing we can be certain of, you or I or anyone else living or dead is not âGodâ.
I could go off on a diatribe about Godelâs Incompleteness Theorem and how from within a finite space, one cannot ever explain the infinite but what is the point? It is impossible to add to a cup that is already full.
Explain to me why an atheist would study scripture for 20 years? That is like saying a misogynist has a degree in women's studies from a liberal arts college...
Not many have discovered the Book of Enoch. Mainstream Christianity will continue to bury it. People like Michael Heiser went to great lengths to reveal this to us. He has several books that are quite enlightening! Carry on with this stack series. Bless You!!
This article reminds me of a book by Michael Heiser: The Unseen Realm. I was part of a study group looking at this book and the implications for about 6 months. Very interesting.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Excellent piece and raised in a church, they never acknowledged Enoch so I didn't read it until I was an adult. It should be read and answers a lot of mysteries.
I do believe that many church "leaders" are being controlled by these entities and that is one of the reasons I keep having issues with one fellowship after another and it is ALWAYS a different reason. In the latest adventure I was falsely accused by an under pastor and the actual lead pastor believed the false accusations and told me I was no longer welcome at the fellowship. I said I wanted to see the evidence that backs the accusations and so far crickets...in one case recently the Pastor was upset because I had asked a question on his Fakebook page about the IRS status of the fellowship. He had me come in and talk with him and during an hour interview made eye contact about 3 minutes. I'm wondering what these men are feeling coming from out of me. One took me back in his office and wanted to know why I use FATHER and never use Jesus in my conversations. And how did Jesus say to pray? God is my FATHER. Jesus spirit is my intercessor who dwells in my very being.
I went to a Catholic priest once to ask him about some curiosities I had encountered while doing an occult investigation into a ritual murder. I began quoting Scripture and he clearly had no idea what I was talking about. I asked him if he spoke Ecclesiastical Latin, he had no idea what I was talking about. I asked him if he even believed in God or if this was just a âjobâ to him. He sat there, clearly uncomfortable, and did not answer. At this point, my guess is most of the people involved in the âchurchâ (Catholic and otherwise) are only there for a paycheck at best and at worst, tools of Satan.
Thank you for the clarification regarding Lev 16:8 (and verses 10 and 26). See https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h5799/ - misleading! Though see the Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon entry. I must read the Book of Enoch! Does Baphomet now represent Azazel?
Overall. I see that without Enoch, the church will continue to NOT see the forest for the trees. They see politics and have indeed, succumbed to the political spirit, and see nothing spiritual in the political world. It seems very clear to me, that a mind-blinding spirit covers rhe church that is this part of the 5-fold'---the Teaching church, where, unfortunately most of the body attends. Those in the Appostolic and Prophetic are Eyes Wide Open. The difference is Pre-Trib Rapture, the 'get me out of jail free'-group. I know no one in my A and P church who believes in PreTrib rapture. So, there are 2 weeds (instead of fruits) -following the lack of Enoch. PreTrib and the lack of applying prophetic/ spiritual to politics. Specifically, that fallen bloodlines have anything to do with anything today. They could sit right in front of Bill Gates and not see a thing unless they know it from politics. I watched him and saw demons.
Many years ago, I read through the book of Enoch. Yes, it was an interesting perspective, and a possible backdrop to contemporary demonology. In reality, there was nothing new, nothing of significance. Demons are demons. Same old story! So, I can see why the Divines left Enoch out of the Authorized Bible. It is no big deal. It changes nothing. At the Cross, Christ Jesus destroyed the works of Satan and his devils, and they do not affect the Sovereign Will of God over history. Those who are IN Christ Jesus and HIS Kingdom-Church are victors over the principalities and powers. The more a born of the Spirit Christian matures in the knowledge of The WORD (the two-edged sword), the greater vessel he/she becomes for Christ to advance His Church-Kingdom. Sanctification! Bottom Line... God has it ALL under PERFECT control. Those who are vulnerable to the attacks/influence of Satan, the unregenerate and/or carnal "Christian", get to learn the hard way that... Apart from Christ Jesus, they can do NOTHING! It IS what it IS!
I stopped reading this comment when you said âthe Divines left Enoch out of the Authorized Bibleâ because you are clearly lacking in any sort of real scholarly understanding of Scripture. You are saying that the council that shows which books to Canonize in the 4th Century, hundreds of years after the death of Christ, are âdivineâ? I suppose you think God showed up in person and told them what books to choose too. That he âauthorizedâ it.
My point wasn't as much about the Canonization of the Scriptures by the Roman Catholic Church, or what King James authorized, or the further work by the Westminster Divines. My point is that when "I" read it, I could see why they left it out. To me (and I have a right to my own personal opinion), it didn't add anything significant to how a Christian views the relationship between man and the Trinitarian God as it applies to demonology. When I was a younger Christian, over 40 years ago, I got into the whole demonology thing, encountered the demon-possessed and the demon-oppressed. Oh yeah, it is all REAL. However, as I matured through that stage of learning, reading Enoch would not have made any significant contribution to my orthodoxy or orthopraxy; the Gospel, the Victory of Christ through the believer, or how the "gates of hell do not prevail over the Church." If you want to staple Enoch into your Bible, along with the complete Apocrypha (which I have also read), go ahead and do that. Knock yourself out. I can do that, as well. It's a free country. I am just saying that it only adds unnecessary weight to my Bible. It changes NOTHING about my becoming ONE with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Having access to the Power of the Trinity is all I really need. I like to travel light. Enjoy!
Interesting piece! Having been aware of what the book of Enoch teaches, yet involved in spiritual warfare with Christians largely unaware of these details, I take the things of the book of Enoch with a grain of salt. Some things in there could well be true. Maybe all of it. Maybe none of it.
But whether all of it is, or half, or none, makes no difference to me as a believer.
If you name the Name of Christ, and abide in him, love him, keep his commandments, the evil one cannot touch you, and if he is allowed to, itâs only for your benefit.
Those who pray and call out to God, the Living God for help, WILL receive it, regardless of their knowledge.
I have never once witnessed a lack of esoteric knowledge (regardless of factual accuracy) have an effect on a believers deliverance.
It doesnât affect Gods ability to save at all, even if it is true, so I donât feel any responsibility at all to âmake others awareâ.
Following the Holy Spirit is what we are called to do.
I donât say that to dismiss out of
hand perhaps the occasional usefulness of extra knowledge, only to emphasize that the esoteric is a poor substitute for faith and trust in God.
Loved your comments. They are true!!! However, we are to know the FULL council of God. Jesus knew about our adversary and wants us to know too, otherwise why warn us about powers and principalities. If we know little to nothing about them we donât know what we are fighting (with the help of the Holy Spirit) against, and the adversary has the upper hand. Satan is the deceiver and wants us in the dark about his tactics. Ignorance allows the door to possession or temptation to be wide open.
I believe itâs possible that the book of Enoch is for us, otherwise why would Jesus and others Bible authors have quoted it?
Jesus tells us over and over again to âwatchâ, be âalertâ, âwake upâ, âdonât be asleep â, all being especially necessary in the last days and the end times. (We see this especially in the Olivet Discourse and corresponding parables, Thessalonians, and Revelation). These warnings to be alert are primarily about being aware of the evidence for Jesusâs return. Jesus doesnât want anyone deceived. Gods word says it will be like in the days of Noah in the end times âŠ. The days of Noah were during the days of Enoch!
Youâre right that this knowledge isnât necessary for personal salvation or deliverance. Agree!!!! But, people can be more easily deceived if this information is kept hidden. This deception can lead to possession (people not aware of the true dangers and they dapple in it), and unbelief in Christ due to lack of knowledge and understanding of the true nature of evil. (My people perish due to lack of knowledge). Kind of like how believing in molecules to man evolution and billions of years, deceives many into unbelief of the need for Christ.
Anyway, food for thought. And, I really do love your post. It was so well said!
Thank you for your reply! âMy people perish for lack of knowledge,â true enough. It is true that gaining knowledge at times in specific areas can help free you from strongholds. And it can help bring comfort into making things make sense. Knowledge can also subtly create pride, however. So Iâd hold in tension with that the imperative difference between knowledge and wisdom. Motivation with how and why we seek knowledge is tremendously valuable, and humility in proportion to the accumulation of it. Yet with this topic specifically, even if we do not know everything about our enemy, Jesus of course does, and our faith and prevailing prayer, which takes tenacity and persistence, is of great value, and I believe, even more valuable than our head knowledge about our enemy. (While very interesting).
For someone who is already a Christian, walking in the Spirit is what protects you from falling into a lot of traps, (just read a fantastic piece yesterday about a Christian discovering the origins of the Enneagram) but even if you do, the humility you gain from your dependence on the Lord and needing to be rescued is without price. We are not infallible, and esoteric knowledge itself can begin to create the paradigm that we are somehow less vulnerable.
We shouldnât forget the scripture, âturn this man over to Satan, that he may learn not to blaspheme.â Our enemies have their place.
âThe fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdomâ. If more of us remembered that, there is a great deal we wouldnât touch, and would be cautioned by our conscience into not touching. Unfortunately, the lack of knowledge that causes most to perish, that I can see, is a simple fear of God.
When one fights âagainstâ someone or something it lends credence to that entity. Concentrate your energy being for and not against. Without your resistance they have naught to push against
the Bible may be allegorical but to deny the people who are well attested in history, such as Jesus and His companions, Moses, Peter and Paul, and many others is to deny evidence.
A literal Jesus died for our sins and rose again to prove He is God. Literal people from the Bible were born, lived and died. There were over 500 witnesses to Jesusâs resurrection. Josephus. the Jewish historian (not a Christ follower) recorded much of the same history as the Bible, confirming its accuracy. From whatâs been found, thereâs archeological evidence that supports the Bibleâs claims 100%. So far there hasnât been any evidence that contradicts the Bible, unless one is looking to lie to prove it wrong.
The Bible is absolutely the literal Truth. It is not an allegory. Jesus walked this earth. He saves and cleanses people today. Just as then. He speaks today, just as He spoke then. Father, Son and Spirit. It is past, present and future, all 3. Ecc.1 and 3 say so.
That is the dogma of Acharya S and other esoteric Aquarian teachings that originate from so called âenlightenedâ teachers who, according to their teachings, converse with other higher beings.
The Bible PREDATES all of these works which do in fact plagiarize including the major religions.
Allah begets no one. But Jesus is the only begotten, Son, and according to Hebrews 1, the EXACT Representation of His Father.
It is not all allegorical. Not at all.
Bless you Damon.
BTW, do believe that the Bible is literal, not allegorical, but I don't state this in order to rile you up; after all, as you state in another comment, that is my belief.
Another of my beliefs is that we are to go out and spread the Gospel (ie., the Good News) - I don't believe that we are called upon to browbeat people into submission, but just to inform them that there is a Gospel.
The vast majority of people know that there is a Gospel and they also know the name of Jesus - whether or not they personally believe that any of it is true or not. This makes things tricky, as we either don't bother telling people (because they're already aware of it) or we adopt the browbeating method! (There are some who have figured out how to do it right, so I bless those people.)
For my part, I am encouraged that you said that the meanings are true enough, even though you dispute the details. We here on earth cannot change you, only the Holy Spirit can: if you allow the Holy Spirit to speak to you, He will guide you (note that I'm not predicting that He will tell you that my way of seeing things is 'the' right way - maybe He will tell you that you are already on the right track, who knows?), but be sure to give Him a chance to speak.
All this is just a suggestion: I'm just some guy on Substack, not An Authority to be obeyed! Hope your day is going well...
How come then so many trusting Christians with faith fell for the whole Covid scam and the shots?
They missed the message that we are to subdue and take dominion. They have been taught to sleep rather than rise.
Matt. 16:18. Binding and Loosing. And Matt. 12:12 The Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force. These are dominion governmental actions. They are not allowed in the teaching church to be understood as aggressive overwhelming intercession.
They are that way because most teaching churches do not allow the Prophetic or that the pastor confuses the two offices (pastor and prophet). The Office of the Teaching pastor is not the office of the Prophet. The fruit of the teaching church is Pre-Trib rapture, which was only added 300 yrs ago by Scofield and Darby. That Bible went into the Bible schools. King James took out references to the Ekklesia, which is the governing, legislative body of Christ. Other scriptures still decree a thing but the teaching church still doesn't get it, doesn't believe it and doesn't see it. Two different realms. One active. One passive. I was in a teaching, evangelist church. I am now in an Apostolic and prophetic church. It is night and day.
Those who Bind, Loose. Command, are those who move mountains.
The fruit of the Apostolic and Prophetic is activism. A prophet is without honor in His own house does not only speak of Israel but the body of Christ. Kings did nothing without their Prophet. That is all through the OT.
Well said Hannah!
I know it isnât easy
Keep your eyes fixed upon Jesus Christ, the author and perfecter of our faith. It is only through him, and the mighty power of his name that is above all names, that we are victorious against evil principalities and powers.
âBut seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness, and all these things shall be ministered unto you.â (Matt6)
My comment is going to sound unscholarly simple and probably rated as an idiot gullible Bible Belt Christian who knows nothing But I do have a view of my God after years of His faithfulness in guiding me along the 50+ years I have known Him.
I am sure there is a measure of truth in your findings but and I say BUT because God would not have left anything out that I needed to know to keep faith in Him, to love Him, to be faithful to Him. If He had seen the need to have the Enoch book meant to be in the full cannon of scripture you can bank on it that it would be in our Bible. Though these are definitely the last of the last days our eyes need to be fixed , as never before needed, on Jesus Christ. To start instituting a gaze going elsewhere is asking for trouble. (maybe Enoch is esoteric?).
Yes God told Daniel to close the book Daniel he was writing and go his way, certainly then God would open to manâs understanding what certain things meant Daniel would never understand (helicopters maybe?) But the things the Spirit makes understandable as things wax worse and worse is not to veer from focusing dead center on Gods truth as given in our Bible.
I do not need to now spend hours and hours trying to verify my theology and understand the book of Enoch. But I do need to pray for the things at hand, to love those around me and keep the command to â watchâ for my Lord.â (Matt 24, Luke 21, 2Tim, Jude, and Ro 1and on.). Time better spent being a Berean dealing with all the crazy rabbit trails Satan is enticing modern day people to go down. (Paul said he was not ignorant of Satanâs schemes and thatâs about it concerning speaking of evil/Satan).
Take the elements of truth out and ignore the rest. Time will tell and test this book of Enoch but remember time is short and we are to be about the Fatherâs business and that is the Great Commission.
I understand your perspective, and I respect your devotion, but it is important to clarify that what most people consider the biblical canon today was not divinely dictated in a single, unbroken act. The books included in our Bibles were assembled by humans, often centuries after the texts were written, by imperfect men, sometimes influenced by politics, theology, or the needs of their communities.
The exclusion of texts like the Book of Enoch does not necessarily reflect divine rejection, but rather the human processes of selection, translation, and preservation. Godâs truth is not limited to what was politically or institutionally included in a canon. Many early Christians and scholars used and referenced these works, and they influenced theology, liturgy, and apocalyptic thought for centuries.
Focusing on Jesus and loving others is absolutely central, but acknowledging the human role in canon formation does not diminish Godâs authority or your faith. It simply gives a more accurate understanding of the history behind the Bible we have today.
Be careful you do not get tangled up in theology and miss the main thing. The Bible is Gods Letter. God is infallible and so would be quite able to get said perfectly what He wanted even centuries apart. Time is nothing to Him.
I do not ever believe God would allow any error to be allowed from simple men writing what would be used for centuries upon centuries to be His voice of direction etc. Fishermen would be our last choice to get something we said right. Can you imagine? Really funny and yet amazingly profound. We cannot camp on the idea God would miss anything. Some other things do add to our understanding but the weight of it is not to be added as though doctrine.
So, let me be clear. You are asserting that the decisions of church leaders, centuries after Christ and the apostles, carry more authority than the firsthand witnesses who actually wrote the New Testament Gospels? The very individuals who lived, taught, and saw the events themselves are considered subordinate to men long removed from the source?
I don't mean to sound rude. Your understanding of the politics of religion is naive. Canonization was never a neutral or purely spiritual process. It was always deeply entangled with power, influence, and human agendas.
Which canon, exactly, do you claim is âdirectly from Godâ? History shows dozens of competing biblical canons. Many omit key sections of the Hebrew scriptures, the original texts from which the Bible derives. The process was neither uniform nor divinely dictated, yet you treat the choices of centuries-later men as if they were indisputable divine authority.
For example, the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures used by early Christians, included books that do not appear in the later Masoretic Text, the foundation of the Protestant Old Testament. These include:
Tobit
Judith
Wisdom of Solomon
Sirach (Ecclesiasticus)
Baruch
1 and 2 Maccabees
These texts were part of the Christian Old Testament until the Reformation, when figures like Martin Luther removed them for not being part of the Hebrew Bible. Yet these books were widely used by early Christians and included in the Latin Vulgate, the Western Churchâs standard Bible for over a millennium.
So who exactly was the âdivine editorâ that received Godâs direct instructions on what to include? The Council of Laodicea? The 40+ scholars hired by King James who compiled the KJV? Joseph Smith, who claimed an angel gave him the Book of Mormon? Muhammad, who claimed the Quran was delivered by Gabriel? Which one of these is the authoritative divine editor?
Let me guess, it is the Bible you use that is the 'correct Bible that God wrote', right?
Additionally, many early Christian writings such as the Didache, 1 Clement, and the Epistle of Barnabas were highly regarded by early communities but ultimately excluded from the canon. These texts offer important insights into early Christian theology and practice.
The formation of the biblical canon was influenced by theological disputes, political pressures, and the practical need for standardized texts for liturgy. Different Christian traditions recognized different canons, reflecting the complex, human-driven history of how the Bible was assembled.
To claim that the current canon is the definitive and divinely ordained collection of books ignores these historical realities. Recognizing the human element in canon formation does not diminish the authority of scripture. It simply provides a more accurate and nuanced understanding of its origins.
So what you are âpreppingâ me for is to include Enoch into legitimate theological usage and value. Thatâs your bottom line it seems to me. All the notes you gave are very scholarly and you have done a ton of research and I do not doubt the accuracy. But today is today and my Bible is comprised of 66 books that
God saw fit to compile. God is not ignorant of other good scripts written but He has ordained that the ones we have are perfect for His work in the believers life today. I donât need more knowledge though very interesting, it does not compel me to use my valuable time digging into âthis or thatâ when life is so full and demanding to live.
I will say I really liked the history you gave. Information of this sort gives depth to understanding. For that thank you. The Lord God reigns.
Yes, of course, God Himself descended from Heaven to personally endorse the King James Bible. He declared, âBehold, the version commissioned by King James, edited by more than forty Anglican priests, and altered in hundreds of places to suit his monarchy, is the one true Word of God for all time!â Forget the Septuagint, forget the Vulgate, forget the Syriac Peshitta or the Hebrew texts that predate all of it. Ignore the political councils, the centuries of debate, and the fact that dozens of competing canons existed long before King James was even born. No, clearly God waited until 1611 to reveal His eternal Word in perfect English.
You mock which has lowered your standard of communication but what else can you do? If God didnât like (what was being used the world over) do you really think He wouldnât have changed it? Come on either God is sovereign or He is not. Millions of people have come to Christ with what we have so you think we need more to save more? We canât forget what all of life is about once we know our Savior.
All of what you offer is very interesting and helpful from time to time but thatâs it. By the way men used a special criteria to authenticate if a book would be included in the Bible. It was not the influences they were under, the pressures, whatever but on the leading of the Holy Spirit. You cannot base this on menâs lives but on the influence of the Holy Spirit. To undermine that is almost blasphemous.
You say God saw fit to compile. Why do you believe this?
How did He ordain the current bible and what translation would that be?
Why would you dismiss all of the history laid out by the Wise Wolf?
I'm guessing that the cost to admit you may be wrong or choosing to be led by institutions of man is too great for you to bear.
We all have our choices to make and God is no respecter of persons. Translation-He is not racist.
I think you may be missing the point and just getting caught up in arguing rather than a rational discussion.
Dottie, well said. I too believe that God is infallible and gave us what we need for salvation in His word!!! 100%.
I also believe that God can use other reliable literary works for additional understanding ( Josephus, the Jewish historian, for example). Enoch makes sense as an additional source of information because Jesus and Jude referenced and quoted from it. Itâs the only missing book from the canon that is like that.
Also, since Enoch never died (was taken up alive), God obviously has a very special plan for him. Enoch was loved and trusted by God and is likely one of the 2 witnesses during the great tribulation. (Elijah is likely the other one since he too never died and was taken up alive.) We are all appointed to die once.. Since they never died, they will probably be the ones who come back as the 2 witnesses, and die after 1260 days, (since all must die once) then be raptured after 3.5 days. (Rev 11) I say this due to Enoch having a relationship with the Living God that only one other person had.
Also, the end times are to be like in the days of Noah. Enoch lived in those days. I believe Enoch may be insight for us in this time that is close to Jesusâs return.
I donât know whether it should or shouldnât be in the canon, but I think if Jesus and Jude quoted it, and Enoch was important enough in Gods plan to âraptureâ him without dying, maybe what Enoch says is important.
Blessings! Love your deep faith! Iâm just presenting food for thought. đ
Thanks for your insight and kind words. All of our lives are consumed by living for God. Yes other books may be helpful as macabees but they do not read at all with the high standard of our 66 books. In this day we have to be very vigilant we do not drift away as Satan knows his time is limited and as scrip says he comes to steal, kill and destroy. And destroy a pleasant walk with God will upset and spread like gangrene. For that itâs time to draw a line between what is valuable and what is distracting.
You do realize that the head of the Church of England is not just a religious figure, but a monarch historically deeply involved in occult practices. King James I, who commissioned the King James Bible, wrote Daemonologie and consulted astrologers and magicians. Elizabeth I maintained a court magician, John Dee, who advised on both esoteric and political matters. Queen Victoria was connected to Babylonian and Mesopotamian occult traditions. The KJV was not handed down from God in perfect form. It was commissioned by a king to reinforce his power, translated by over forty Anglican clergy, and intentionally polished to sound poetic and authoritative. Hundreds of changes were made to scripture to support the monarchy and consolidate control. The KJV is a tool of political propaganda disguised in beautiful language, and the occult entanglements of its patrons show it was also a tool of spiritual deception. Claiming it is the literal word of God ignores centuries of human intervention, manipulation, and hidden agendas. Your Bible was written by witches.
I can hardly read your replies any longer as they have digressed to the point of distortion that should be noted. I do not hear your heart but only what youâve studied. I do not recognize the Lord in your voice. Thatâs fine but unless you are hungry for God this whole dialogue is about you proving your point⊠the Bible is errant, God did not correct that before we his followers could trust it. Thatâs the point here isnât it? So whose side are you espousing? Time for me to exit and hope you find what youâre looking for.
If you think you are God, you should probably seek a mental health professional immediatelyâŠ
No, it does not. At no point does it say this. I am a professional Biblical scholar that has published hundreds of articles and books on scriptural analysis. What you are speaking of is delusional New Age fantasy.
It is literally the foundation of Satanism.
No living person knows what God is. That is the entire point but one thing we can be certain of, you or I or anyone else living or dead is not âGodâ.
I could go off on a diatribe about Godelâs Incompleteness Theorem and how from within a finite space, one cannot ever explain the infinite but what is the point? It is impossible to add to a cup that is already full.
Explain to me why an atheist would study scripture for 20 years? That is like saying a misogynist has a degree in women's studies from a liberal arts college...
Not many have discovered the Book of Enoch. Mainstream Christianity will continue to bury it. People like Michael Heiser went to great lengths to reveal this to us. He has several books that are quite enlightening! Carry on with this stack series. Bless You!!
This article reminds me of a book by Michael Heiser: The Unseen Realm. I was part of a study group looking at this book and the implications for about 6 months. Very interesting.
Going to look into Enoch
Daniel 12 verses 4-9
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Excellent piece and raised in a church, they never acknowledged Enoch so I didn't read it until I was an adult. It should be read and answers a lot of mysteries.
I do believe that many church "leaders" are being controlled by these entities and that is one of the reasons I keep having issues with one fellowship after another and it is ALWAYS a different reason. In the latest adventure I was falsely accused by an under pastor and the actual lead pastor believed the false accusations and told me I was no longer welcome at the fellowship. I said I wanted to see the evidence that backs the accusations and so far crickets...in one case recently the Pastor was upset because I had asked a question on his Fakebook page about the IRS status of the fellowship. He had me come in and talk with him and during an hour interview made eye contact about 3 minutes. I'm wondering what these men are feeling coming from out of me. One took me back in his office and wanted to know why I use FATHER and never use Jesus in my conversations. And how did Jesus say to pray? God is my FATHER. Jesus spirit is my intercessor who dwells in my very being.
I went to a Catholic priest once to ask him about some curiosities I had encountered while doing an occult investigation into a ritual murder. I began quoting Scripture and he clearly had no idea what I was talking about. I asked him if he spoke Ecclesiastical Latin, he had no idea what I was talking about. I asked him if he even believed in God or if this was just a âjobâ to him. He sat there, clearly uncomfortable, and did not answer. At this point, my guess is most of the people involved in the âchurchâ (Catholic and otherwise) are only there for a paycheck at best and at worst, tools of Satan.
Thank you for the clarification regarding Lev 16:8 (and verses 10 and 26). See https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h5799/ - misleading! Though see the Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon entry. I must read the Book of Enoch! Does Baphomet now represent Azazel?
just wait until you find Jubilees, and what they used to do on Jubilee years until Hillel changed it
guess should have used the term prozbul to clarify.. Hillel stopped the practice of redemption of debts
My opinion is that it is 1% of North Americans who are aware of spirit beings and spiritual battle and NOT 1% of the world.
I agree that the church in North America is weak and unprepared for spiritual battles.
Youâre correct in saying once you see the battles you cannot unsee them.
Spiritual warfare is taught in the Bible as we know it, even without the book of Enoch.
YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah are all aliases of the Wicked One.
As a clarification, the word Allah is simply the Arabic word for god but since Islam is an Abrahamic religion it is referring to the god of Abraham.
Allah is YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah,
All aliases for the Wicked One.
Overall. I see that without Enoch, the church will continue to NOT see the forest for the trees. They see politics and have indeed, succumbed to the political spirit, and see nothing spiritual in the political world. It seems very clear to me, that a mind-blinding spirit covers rhe church that is this part of the 5-fold'---the Teaching church, where, unfortunately most of the body attends. Those in the Appostolic and Prophetic are Eyes Wide Open. The difference is Pre-Trib Rapture, the 'get me out of jail free'-group. I know no one in my A and P church who believes in PreTrib rapture. So, there are 2 weeds (instead of fruits) -following the lack of Enoch. PreTrib and the lack of applying prophetic/ spiritual to politics. Specifically, that fallen bloodlines have anything to do with anything today. They could sit right in front of Bill Gates and not see a thing unless they know it from politics. I watched him and saw demons.
TL;DR: Gnosticism is alive and well.
Many years ago, I read through the book of Enoch. Yes, it was an interesting perspective, and a possible backdrop to contemporary demonology. In reality, there was nothing new, nothing of significance. Demons are demons. Same old story! So, I can see why the Divines left Enoch out of the Authorized Bible. It is no big deal. It changes nothing. At the Cross, Christ Jesus destroyed the works of Satan and his devils, and they do not affect the Sovereign Will of God over history. Those who are IN Christ Jesus and HIS Kingdom-Church are victors over the principalities and powers. The more a born of the Spirit Christian matures in the knowledge of The WORD (the two-edged sword), the greater vessel he/she becomes for Christ to advance His Church-Kingdom. Sanctification! Bottom Line... God has it ALL under PERFECT control. Those who are vulnerable to the attacks/influence of Satan, the unregenerate and/or carnal "Christian", get to learn the hard way that... Apart from Christ Jesus, they can do NOTHING! It IS what it IS!
I stopped reading this comment when you said âthe Divines left Enoch out of the Authorized Bibleâ because you are clearly lacking in any sort of real scholarly understanding of Scripture. You are saying that the council that shows which books to Canonize in the 4th Century, hundreds of years after the death of Christ, are âdivineâ? I suppose you think God showed up in person and told them what books to choose too. That he âauthorizedâ it.
My point wasn't as much about the Canonization of the Scriptures by the Roman Catholic Church, or what King James authorized, or the further work by the Westminster Divines. My point is that when "I" read it, I could see why they left it out. To me (and I have a right to my own personal opinion), it didn't add anything significant to how a Christian views the relationship between man and the Trinitarian God as it applies to demonology. When I was a younger Christian, over 40 years ago, I got into the whole demonology thing, encountered the demon-possessed and the demon-oppressed. Oh yeah, it is all REAL. However, as I matured through that stage of learning, reading Enoch would not have made any significant contribution to my orthodoxy or orthopraxy; the Gospel, the Victory of Christ through the believer, or how the "gates of hell do not prevail over the Church." If you want to staple Enoch into your Bible, along with the complete Apocrypha (which I have also read), go ahead and do that. Knock yourself out. I can do that, as well. It's a free country. I am just saying that it only adds unnecessary weight to my Bible. It changes NOTHING about my becoming ONE with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Having access to the Power of the Trinity is all I really need. I like to travel light. Enjoy!
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