The fury is the unfortunate state of the mental capacity in America----CLOSED.
Zero curiosity
Zero ability to consider interpretation
Zero creativity to think beyond dogma
I think it has been referred to for about 100years as being "small minded" which is the polite way to say we are stupid. Consequently, these same people have no idea how lucky they are to have found a writer, a truly literate human to suggest the possibilties of PRE WRITTEN HISTORY of the works by The One Infinite Creator.
Wise Wolf I too was pondering this Genesis story recently, wondering what the Tree of Knowledge represented. It occurred to me that before Eve was tempted by the serpent to eat the apple, Adam's and her existence was idyllic entirely supported by the laws of nature because God ordained it. They wanted for nothing. But eating the apple triggered their fall from grace because it represented knowledge of the material universe. From that point on Adam and Eve had to rely on their wits for their survival. And every since mankind has had to pursue knowledge of the universe to satisfy his curiosity and greed. If we turned back to God we wouldn't need modern technology or AI. We would breath and live the ultimate AI - life in tune with God's laws of creation.
It says fruit in Genesis, not apple, but hey It could have possibly been an apple but eating the fruits from the forbidden tree led to the carnal corrupt fruits of indeed sin and death. I love how it is described beautifully in Romans & Galatians; 6:6 Let the one who is taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches.
7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.
8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
9 And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.
10 So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.
Romans 8: 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, 🪔but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.
6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 🪔
7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.
8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.🤍
9 🪔You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 🪔
10 🪔But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 🪔
11🪔 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.🪔
12🪔 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”🪔
16 🪔The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.🪔
My sister, daughter and I all give our Trees names. It’s not like we had a meeting and or a plan.. it just happened that we each found out that the other one did it .. usually if you tell someone that you talk and listen to the trees as my son does too they have a tendency to think you’re nuts 🥜 and that’s fine too!!!
I was in no way angry and appreciated you sharing such thoughts opinions and understanding which did indeed contain some truths, but asking questions and challenging such understandings is in no way rage or anger.
"We came from trees." You'll like my book about trees and the people who care for them, our dependence on forests and what has happened in the modern world of globalization and urbanization. See https://thedarksideofhungermountain.substack.com/ and I hope you enjoy the story. T.H. PLATT
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater:
because the witness of God is that He has witnessed concerning his Son. Who believed onto the Son of God has the witness in himself ; who believes not God has made him a liar; because he has not believed unto the witness that God has witnessed concerning His Son. And the witness is this, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Who has the Son has the life; who has not the Son of God has not the life. (1 John 5:9-12)
And Jesus is the tree of life whom was actually crucified upon a literal tree a piece of wood, that cross where he was crucified to death became a symbol of victory where Jesus more than a conqueror was victorious where He defeated sin, death, hell, the grave satan and his entire kingdom of darkness and Jesus was resurrected on the third day and became the evdurung symbol of LIFE as He is the only way, the truth, and the life and only way to Heavenly father, no one can come unto the father but through Him. John 14:6
He is the door both literally, metaphorically symbolically and spiritually. And Jesus said unless you eat off his flesh and drink of his blood as the blameless blemishmess perfect sinless passover Lamb John 6; Exodus 12, again, a metaphor you cannot have any of his life in you.
Those in Christ are called rightoues trees, as Hadassah trees hid in Christ in God, and Myrtle trees actually produce flowers that look like stars, Hadassah is also the name Esther in Persian which means Star & God calls the righteous as stars too bringing many back to righteousnessness, there is indeed much symbology, metaphor and symbolism found in the inspired by Almighty Creator God scriptures, and God's words are layered deep and profound but the only way anyone can ever understand Heavenly father and His words and the words found in the scriptures is through receiving holy spirit supernatural rebirth being made a new creation in Christ and made alive in His spirit by His grace by faith in Jesus Christ revealing and illuminating and giving revelation from the very source of our very creator God Himself & His very spirit to your spirit made alive transformed renewed in the spirit with a circumcised soul mind heart & body. And checking everything with the very one whom created you new in His beloved Son in the first place.
It's not through eating off the tree of merely knowledge, which you are indeed doing by looking at merely gnosis and the writings works and understandings through all those whom have actually rejected the absolute truths of heavenly father, Jesus and His holy Spirit as He defines determines and states and they only hate and abhor Him as Jesus said He is the way the truth and the life and only way to the father in heaven.
You look at satanism the occult hidden satanic knowledge, you look to the Greek philosophers, to Jewish mysticism etc, but do you look to Heavenly father as your primary source and as the final arbiter of ALL truth & verify ALL with Him to reveal and give you true revelation & understanding that is only revealed & given by His spirit that leads and guides into all truth. To those whom He lives and knows & whom really know Him forsaking all others.
Because in eating from the tree of only knowledge where you decide for yourself & determine what is good and what is evil, right and wrong, good and pleading to not only your eye but your belly feeding into your flesh, lover of pleasure & what you have determined above Creator God Himself, indeed making yourself to be like God, and equal to and with God, and not partaking from the tree of life you then will be prevented to enter into the kingdom & of paradise where the tree of life is, because that flaming sword turning every which way still guards the entrance to that true tree and source of real life of spirit, of truth, and of life, only those who become like little children & overcome shall inherit the fountain of water of life freely, & whom wash their robes will be granted to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God. And that theirs shall be the authority over the tree of life that they may enter by the gates (portals?) into the city. Without are the dogs, and the sorcerers, & the fornicators, and the murderers, and the idolators, and everyone who lives and makes a lie. Rev 2/ Rev 22:2,14-15
You need to eat off & from the tree of life whom is Jesus, as many, beloved Jesus Himself tells us are trying to enter into heaven every other way, Jesus said he is the door & of who? The sheep, his sheep, they recognise & hear HIS voice and strangers they won't & refuse to follow, that all who came before Jesus are but theives and robbers, all those trying to enter any other way and bypassing Jesus, did not hear from Jesus. But Jesus continues to say that the thief comes only to steal, kill and destroy, but Jesus lets us know unequivocally; " I came that they may have life, and may have abundance . I AM the good shepherd, the good shepherd layeth die his life for his sheep. Please see John 10
It is awesome to have these creation stories in a side-by-side comparison. I have read a few of these and also really looked into America's Indian beliefs. I have always wondered how there could be so many different creators since we are all human beings.
Of course, you are the first person to consider this with any seriousness. No one wants to chat with me on this. They just get all churchy and parrot men's dogma's and systems and that's that.
The modern church has an extremely narrow (small minded) view of God.
I am truly in awe of how God is using you at this time.
I wholeheartedly concur with your thoughts Dawn! I too have no one to chat with on subjects of any depth. May we meet on The Other Side. God be with you and with us all.
And you still haven't answered the question if it was originally sinful and not Heavenly father's desires for Adam and Eve to have children and such a disgusting abberation and sin & indeed cannibalising true procreation according to such postulations of recreating and reproducing life via the physical but must only be done via light and only in spirit which I have no problem with by the way and how incredibly beautiful, but if it was not Heavenly father's design then why does He never mention to not procreate after that? Especially all those in Christ can indeed be given the power and ability to remain virgins. But nowhere does heavenly father forbid it why?
''And here’s the uncomfortable part: why does suggesting this interpretation generate such fury? What are we protecting when we refuse to explore these connections? What are we afraid to find in our oldest stories?'' - It's always the way when people's long-held beliefs are challenged. But this is a fascinating read! And it puts another angle on veganism, doesn't it (sorry, head to add that) :)
Yes but the forbidden fruit isn’t fruit 🍇. It’s forbidden because it’s not fruit but human flesh and that’s where everything went wrong. The devil tricked Adam and Eve and you know the rest of the story and the devil worshipers still eat it today they just don’t pluck it from a tree
What if the that which shouldn't be eaten from the tree of knowledge is simply the truth? because otherwise you get half truths, misinformation and lies and that which shouldn't be eaten from the tree of life is your labour? because if it is taxed or it is for someone else without equal reward it diminishes you.
Provocative thought, critical thinking, thinking outside of the box, creativity.....have been supplanted by media in all forms including public education. Intelligent thought traded for intellectual complacency.
GOD traded for idols!
This post elicits deep, provocative thought in those who genuinely seek Godly Truth. Some might say that I'm obsessed by it, seeking the unattainable mind of God, the essence or holiness of Jesus the Christ. I know that ultimately I'll fall short of that Glory - however, all is possible by the Blood of Christ, which was soaked into the Earth, just as righteous Abel's was. Yep, I keep going back to Genesis 4:10. I can't help but think that you've hit upon something here that is worthy of deeper study.
The only way to defeat the enemy is to know him and his craft.....and the only way to succeed in this is to know Christ intimately.
The fury is the unfortunate state of the mental capacity in America----CLOSED.
Zero curiosity
Zero ability to consider interpretation
Zero creativity to think beyond dogma
I think it has been referred to for about 100years as being "small minded" which is the polite way to say we are stupid. Consequently, these same people have no idea how lucky they are to have found a writer, a truly literate human to suggest the possibilties of PRE WRITTEN HISTORY of the works by The One Infinite Creator.
Long may you thrive on Substack.
Thank you so much for this.
As an American I agree with what you said. I encounter close-minded people every day.
It sucks. It disallows good conversations and agree to disagree attitudes.
Stifles creativity and dreaming.
Wise Wolf I too was pondering this Genesis story recently, wondering what the Tree of Knowledge represented. It occurred to me that before Eve was tempted by the serpent to eat the apple, Adam's and her existence was idyllic entirely supported by the laws of nature because God ordained it. They wanted for nothing. But eating the apple triggered their fall from grace because it represented knowledge of the material universe. From that point on Adam and Eve had to rely on their wits for their survival. And every since mankind has had to pursue knowledge of the universe to satisfy his curiosity and greed. If we turned back to God we wouldn't need modern technology or AI. We would breath and live the ultimate AI - life in tune with God's laws of creation.
I would trade every modern convenience in an instant to spend my existence near God. Anyone that would not wish that is a fool.
You can, so why don't you?
It says fruit in Genesis, not apple, but hey It could have possibly been an apple but eating the fruits from the forbidden tree led to the carnal corrupt fruits of indeed sin and death. I love how it is described beautifully in Romans & Galatians; 6:6 Let the one who is taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches.
7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.
8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
9 And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.
10 So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.
Romans 8: 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, 🪔but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.
6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 🪔
7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.
8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.🤍
9 🪔You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 🪔
10 🪔But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 🪔
11🪔 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.🪔
12🪔 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”🪔
16 🪔The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.🪔
Very intriguing and interesting 🤔 idea.
But, wherever or however me came here, what's coming at us and is around us is what we need to focus upon.
The principalities, powers, and rulers of darkness don't care where and how we got here... Their focus is on "taking us out."☠️🕷️⚡☢️💣🎳🌩️🔥
Maybe this is where the Saturn worshipper notion comes from, considering Saturn ate his children all except for one.
That is an astute observation, one that I considered delving into but decided this was already a controversial enough topic.
My sister, daughter and I all give our Trees names. It’s not like we had a meeting and or a plan.. it just happened that we each found out that the other one did it .. usually if you tell someone that you talk and listen to the trees as my son does too they have a tendency to think you’re nuts 🥜 and that’s fine too!!!
I was in no way angry and appreciated you sharing such thoughts opinions and understanding which did indeed contain some truths, but asking questions and challenging such understandings is in no way rage or anger.
I did not mean you. I deleted the people whose comments I was referencing. You are just curious. These people were actively being mean.
Always enjoy your columns and look forward to them each day. The 'trees' topic is especially intriguing and thought provoking. Thank you. 😊
You may find the following interesting Mr. Wolf 🐺 originally posted by Steve Quayle: https://strangesounds.org/2014/11/kindlifresserbrunnen-the-terrifying-child-eater-of-bern-mystery.html
Steve is one of my subscribers actually.
"We came from trees." You'll like my book about trees and the people who care for them, our dependence on forests and what has happened in the modern world of globalization and urbanization. See https://thedarksideofhungermountain.substack.com/ and I hope you enjoy the story. T.H. PLATT
Loved your story TH! Read it when Elizabeth provided the link. You’re a great crafter of tales. Write another please.
And thank you for writing Hunger Mountain. 🙏💖
Very interesting, I have not heard this premise before. I'm having trouble not seeing the babies growing in trees.
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater:
because the witness of God is that He has witnessed concerning his Son. Who believed onto the Son of God has the witness in himself ; who believes not God has made him a liar; because he has not believed unto the witness that God has witnessed concerning His Son. And the witness is this, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Who has the Son has the life; who has not the Son of God has not the life. (1 John 5:9-12)
And Jesus is the tree of life whom was actually crucified upon a literal tree a piece of wood, that cross where he was crucified to death became a symbol of victory where Jesus more than a conqueror was victorious where He defeated sin, death, hell, the grave satan and his entire kingdom of darkness and Jesus was resurrected on the third day and became the evdurung symbol of LIFE as He is the only way, the truth, and the life and only way to Heavenly father, no one can come unto the father but through Him. John 14:6
He is the door both literally, metaphorically symbolically and spiritually. And Jesus said unless you eat off his flesh and drink of his blood as the blameless blemishmess perfect sinless passover Lamb John 6; Exodus 12, again, a metaphor you cannot have any of his life in you.
Those in Christ are called rightoues trees, as Hadassah trees hid in Christ in God, and Myrtle trees actually produce flowers that look like stars, Hadassah is also the name Esther in Persian which means Star & God calls the righteous as stars too bringing many back to righteousnessness, there is indeed much symbology, metaphor and symbolism found in the inspired by Almighty Creator God scriptures, and God's words are layered deep and profound but the only way anyone can ever understand Heavenly father and His words and the words found in the scriptures is through receiving holy spirit supernatural rebirth being made a new creation in Christ and made alive in His spirit by His grace by faith in Jesus Christ revealing and illuminating and giving revelation from the very source of our very creator God Himself & His very spirit to your spirit made alive transformed renewed in the spirit with a circumcised soul mind heart & body. And checking everything with the very one whom created you new in His beloved Son in the first place.
It's not through eating off the tree of merely knowledge, which you are indeed doing by looking at merely gnosis and the writings works and understandings through all those whom have actually rejected the absolute truths of heavenly father, Jesus and His holy Spirit as He defines determines and states and they only hate and abhor Him as Jesus said He is the way the truth and the life and only way to the father in heaven.
You look at satanism the occult hidden satanic knowledge, you look to the Greek philosophers, to Jewish mysticism etc, but do you look to Heavenly father as your primary source and as the final arbiter of ALL truth & verify ALL with Him to reveal and give you true revelation & understanding that is only revealed & given by His spirit that leads and guides into all truth. To those whom He lives and knows & whom really know Him forsaking all others.
Because in eating from the tree of only knowledge where you decide for yourself & determine what is good and what is evil, right and wrong, good and pleading to not only your eye but your belly feeding into your flesh, lover of pleasure & what you have determined above Creator God Himself, indeed making yourself to be like God, and equal to and with God, and not partaking from the tree of life you then will be prevented to enter into the kingdom & of paradise where the tree of life is, because that flaming sword turning every which way still guards the entrance to that true tree and source of real life of spirit, of truth, and of life, only those who become like little children & overcome shall inherit the fountain of water of life freely, & whom wash their robes will be granted to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God. And that theirs shall be the authority over the tree of life that they may enter by the gates (portals?) into the city. Without are the dogs, and the sorcerers, & the fornicators, and the murderers, and the idolators, and everyone who lives and makes a lie. Rev 2/ Rev 22:2,14-15
You need to eat off & from the tree of life whom is Jesus, as many, beloved Jesus Himself tells us are trying to enter into heaven every other way, Jesus said he is the door & of who? The sheep, his sheep, they recognise & hear HIS voice and strangers they won't & refuse to follow, that all who came before Jesus are but theives and robbers, all those trying to enter any other way and bypassing Jesus, did not hear from Jesus. But Jesus continues to say that the thief comes only to steal, kill and destroy, but Jesus lets us know unequivocally; " I came that they may have life, and may have abundance . I AM the good shepherd, the good shepherd layeth die his life for his sheep. Please see John 10
Correction apologies and ask for forgiveness and sorry for all the following typos of careless errors: enduring... symbol of LIFE....
To those who He loves & indeed lives in...
Pleasing to not only your eyes... layeth down...
It is awesome to have these creation stories in a side-by-side comparison. I have read a few of these and also really looked into America's Indian beliefs. I have always wondered how there could be so many different creators since we are all human beings.
Of course, you are the first person to consider this with any seriousness. No one wants to chat with me on this. They just get all churchy and parrot men's dogma's and systems and that's that.
The modern church has an extremely narrow (small minded) view of God.
I am truly in awe of how God is using you at this time.
I wholeheartedly concur with your thoughts Dawn! I too have no one to chat with on subjects of any depth. May we meet on The Other Side. God be with you and with us all.
🙏💖
And you still haven't answered the question if it was originally sinful and not Heavenly father's desires for Adam and Eve to have children and such a disgusting abberation and sin & indeed cannibalising true procreation according to such postulations of recreating and reproducing life via the physical but must only be done via light and only in spirit which I have no problem with by the way and how incredibly beautiful, but if it was not Heavenly father's design then why does He never mention to not procreate after that? Especially all those in Christ can indeed be given the power and ability to remain virgins. But nowhere does heavenly father forbid it why?
''And here’s the uncomfortable part: why does suggesting this interpretation generate such fury? What are we protecting when we refuse to explore these connections? What are we afraid to find in our oldest stories?'' - It's always the way when people's long-held beliefs are challenged. But this is a fascinating read! And it puts another angle on veganism, doesn't it (sorry, head to add that) :)
No not at all why do you think that? Veganism
The suggestion of humans being derived from trees and the forbidden fruit.
Def one of the strangest deep dives we have ever done on here!
I like it! It’s the first time I’ve heard of this and it’s thought provoking where these stories have been recorded over time.
Yes but the forbidden fruit isn’t fruit 🍇. It’s forbidden because it’s not fruit but human flesh and that’s where everything went wrong. The devil tricked Adam and Eve and you know the rest of the story and the devil worshipers still eat it today they just don’t pluck it from a tree
Exactly!
What if the that which shouldn't be eaten from the tree of knowledge is simply the truth? because otherwise you get half truths, misinformation and lies and that which shouldn't be eaten from the tree of life is your labour? because if it is taxed or it is for someone else without equal reward it diminishes you.
Your brain is broken.
Provocative thought, critical thinking, thinking outside of the box, creativity.....have been supplanted by media in all forms including public education. Intelligent thought traded for intellectual complacency.
GOD traded for idols!
This post elicits deep, provocative thought in those who genuinely seek Godly Truth. Some might say that I'm obsessed by it, seeking the unattainable mind of God, the essence or holiness of Jesus the Christ. I know that ultimately I'll fall short of that Glory - however, all is possible by the Blood of Christ, which was soaked into the Earth, just as righteous Abel's was. Yep, I keep going back to Genesis 4:10. I can't help but think that you've hit upon something here that is worthy of deeper study.
The only way to defeat the enemy is to know him and his craft.....and the only way to succeed in this is to know Christ intimately.