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Government rarely if ever solves anything.

Do you remember the last time a government agency solved the problem it was created for and was subsequently disbanded, and everyone just went home? I recall one such case. It was a dedicated agency created for celebrating 800 years of a certain European city – and even then it took a year after the anniversary to get rid of it.

Apart from a few very specific cases, the government business just expands and metastasizes forever.

Tracey Nelms's avatar

I don't have food. I don't have gas for my car. My bank account has .27 cents. My phone is due Monday.I do have a tax paying job. I will get paid in a month. Im sitting in my car, my shift starts in half in hour.

I ran out of gas, June 16th. Sat on the roadside that day, and night. Went to jail the next day. Dehydrated, walking to the exit sign. Failure to obey a police officer or fire man. Resisting arrest without violence. 3 weeks in jail.

I am now experienced.

New rules: Never run out of gas, on the Interstate.

Never forget every social post is monitored by Goliath.

Never forget that God knows.

Never forget that God does not forget.

I forgive everything and everyone.

God does not.

Short post to explain why I'm not a paid subscriber this month. Maybe next, too.

Your article is about 20 million people, Wolfie. They are not going to stroll into the prison Ark. They are here. Some are as murderous as American thoughtlessness. Most are as law abiding as the rest of us.

Mammon rules the 21st Century lust rush for Power over any and every.

Keep eating your Lunchables, Wolfie.

🐺The Wise Wolf's avatar

someday i will be able to afford pepperidge farm meat and cracker packs and won’t ever have to slum it on the lunchables ever again! lol

dm me your email and ill upgrade you to lifetime paid. keep your money in your wallet tracey. you need it worse than us.

Tracey Nelms's avatar

You are my kind of Tongue-and-Cheeky, said childless Grandma, to the Wise Wolfie. Thanks for being You. Keep grinning with the Grind. wisdomglows8@gmail.com

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(Mr. Wolf. Please delete if this reply is unacceptable)

Just an FYI. I'm not sure it would help, but I have Visible cell service for $25 a month. That's voice, text and data. I think they have new plans now that might be even cheaper. you may wish to check them out.

Every little bit helps.

May Jehovah bless and comfort you Tracey

denise ward's avatar

Helpful info but please do not consent to censorship.

denise ward's avatar

It is horrifying that people have to live like this in the 21st century. But I hate to say it, we are not doing anything about it. We ought to be helping each other instead of giving to these colossal charities that give most of the proceeds to CEOs. Helping our neighbor, imagine what we could achieve. I'd like to see people stop paying interest on loans including mortgages, keep 50% for themselves and give 50% to someone like you. Imagine how we could help each other rise. And keep the banksters awake at night. The money would help us instead of protesting which only hurts us. I'm so sorry what happened to you. I hate the police state with a passion. Cops work for the banksters not for us.

Hilda Page's avatar

100% I would vote for you, WW! This article was stellar. It's beyond my understanding why anyone could support ICE!

I'd like to offer to subscribe again. It'll make-up for one lost. One down, 35 to go. No kidding though, may I do that? Going to try it right now. You and Lilly are loved with an Everlasting Love, and by me. God richly bless you both!🕊💝

🐺The Wise Wolf's avatar

you can give a gift subscription to someone!

Hilda Page's avatar

I did it. It kept saying put in a valid email but it WAS valid. If it didn't go through, I'll send a gift subscription to someone who unsubscribed you yesterday! Lol! (Not kidding.)

Hilda Page's avatar

Guess I'll need your help to subscribe again, WW. I see only "unsubscribe" option. Maybe a gift subscription? Check? Let me know.

Michael  Lynch's avatar

Another Home Run! These people who left over mindless, unquestioning loyalty to ICE, Trump, or anything else; are likely the same ones who just love FLOCK Cameras and the AI driven surveillance state we increasingly find ourselves trapped within. And we don't even get that Mylar blanket to keep us warm.

hod Johnson's avatar

Good Analysis Mr. Wise Wolf ! However, I am a very senior citizen (almost 90 years old) who opposed Reagan's Amnesty in 1986, not because I dislike Mexicans. On the contrary I love Mexicans, have traveled extensively in Mexico; I speak Spanish fluently, have many Mexican friends, etc. etc. I was very much aware that this was opening the flood gates to what we have experienced since 2000. Even Bush W allowed over 3,000,000 illegals to enter our country. Living very close to the border myself, and a teacher, I taught in a border public school for 10 years. where 1/3 of the students were illegal immigrants. Most of these kids were wonderful, somehow managed to get legal here in the US and are successful hardworking adults in our country today. I was living in a very rural area where the illegal immigrants were all working on local farms and ranches. W Bush's Border Patrol knew these folks were here with their families, but left them alone, only pursuing drug smugglers and criminals. This worked well for everyone in that community. I remember talking to one of the dads ( who had 4 great kids in our school). He said "In Sinaloa I earned $1 an hour for hard work in the fields. Here the local rancher pays me $10 an hour, and gives me a nice trailer to live in with my kids." The rancher couldn't operate without these workers. Who can blame Jose from coming across the border with his family into this wild border region, where he could literally just walk across.?

We should give all the decent honest hard-working immigrants green cards now allowing them to become citizens in the future. However, this level of Biden immigration must be stopped !

Leslie E's avatar

Thank you for being a teacher, sir.

Lyn M's avatar

I am sorry you lost subscribers.

People don't want to come to the reality that they have been involved in the crucial detention of children or the deaths of many. Too bad you can't show them the conditions these children are living in. Children that didn't ask for this treatment.

The supporters were sold on the idea that it would be illegals that had criminal records, not people that came here trying to escape the harsh conditions of where they were from. Many were waiting on the government to process their documents. This was continually fed to them by not news media but entertainment programs designed to make them hate others without sitting back and thinking about the people that came here to start their lives over.

Kelly F Carlson's avatar

Total blessings upon you and your bobblehead sidekick (AKA The Two Witnesses). Silver and gold have I none, but such as I have give I thee. Keep breathing fire. Great is your reward.

A 2x subscriber.

Brian Garrison's avatar

My thought on why you might have lost subscribers. You are focusing on one part of the problem. Look at all the fraud and free money some of these people are getting and creating. I agree with what you are saying about the detention but you should look at the big picture of the cost of immigration. 5K a month for living expenses? Social Security does not pay that well for someone who worked there whole life in this country.

Just my humble thought.

🐺The Wise Wolf's avatar

but that isn’t true. no one was getting 5000 a month for living expenses bro.

that is made up internet bullshit.

yeah some people were being housed in hotels and motels but they were not being handed that cash and that wasn’t THEIR fault the government was stupid enough to pay that kind of money for housing per month.

Question Everything and more's avatar

Not made up at all. $3500 a month was the "average" amount illegals were getting.

🐺The Wise Wolf's avatar

no it isn't. that is bullshit. that is some internet rumble video bitchute bullshit.

made up statistics pushed by CIA asset content creators so stupid people have something to point their finger at.

no illegal immigrant in this country has ever been handed 3500 dollars by the federal government a month for being here.

K Young's avatar

Add up all the benefits, housing, medical, food etc, $$$. And then consider those who scam the system and sell those benefits for cash. I don't know a single person who isn't tired of footing the bill for tax fraud and waste, especially when tied to illegal immigration, or marrying your brother.

🐺The Wise Wolf's avatar

ok you are describing section 8 and snap programs right now. those aren't available to illegal immigrants. that got written into federal law in 1996 and nobody has undone it since. no snap, no section 8, no medicaid outside of emergency stabilization, no ssi, no marketplace subsidies. yeah a few slip through the cracks here and there the way a few of everybody slips through the cracks but that is less than a rounding error against 20 million people.

you are not footing the bill for anything. well you weren't but NOW you are. it costs 300 dollars per day per person to house these immigrants in the ice detention system and that check goes straight to private contractors. you didn't actually read the article did you? you went straight to the comments and started arguing and dropping fake info you saw online.

I spent a summer traveling with a migrant farm collective picking fruit at small orchards. not one dime of my tax dollars went to those people. they worked harder in a week than most of us manage in a month and they went home to ten people in an efficiency. if the government were really handing out thousands a month nobody would be doing that work in a hundred degrees for two dollars an hour. you ever actually met one of these people you are so worried about?

and then you close with marrying your brother. you are sitting there telling a room full of people that migrants marry their siblings. that is racist. not edgy, not politically incorrect, racist, and you typed it out under your own name because you thought this crowd would nod along. you looked at people who pick your food and decided they were animals.

K Young's avatar

I'm glad you deleted the part (got it in email when you originally posted) about me being a bad person, judgmental monster using an Obama phone and living in section 8 housing. If I was any of those things I'd suggest you check your meds.... but I'm not so I won't. I wish I could fix your pain and help all the people who are suffering, but I can't.

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If you’ll allow me to put on my Tin Hat:

How much secrecy, institutional protection, intelligence activity, and manipulation has the U.S. government demonstrably engaged in—and where do the unanswered questions become reasonable grounds for suspicion?

DISCLAIMER: I used ChatGPT to get documented evidence and not simply my opinions on the timeline.

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1. JFK and RFK: the deepest rabbit hole

The strongest version of the JFK argument isn't simply “Oswald didn't do it.” It's that the government's own handling of the assassination created enormous reasons for distrust.

The Warren Commission concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. But subsequent investigations uncovered serious problems involving intelligence agencies, withheld information, witnesses, surveillance of Oswald, and inconsistencies in the government's investigation.

The Church Committee later exposed something extraordinary: the CIA had explored assassination plots against foreign leaders and had engaged in covert operations that Congress and the public hadn't known about.

That doesn't prove the CIA killed JFK.

But it absolutely destroys the naïve assumption that “the U.S. government would never secretly do something like that.”

RFK is arguably even more interesting because the circumstances surrounding his assassination have generated decades of questions about Sirhan Sirhan, eyewitness testimony, the ballistics evidence, and whether the official account explains everything.

The intellectually honest position is:

There is substantial evidence of government secrecy and intelligence misconduct. There is not conclusive public evidence proving that a U.S. intelligence agency ordered either assassination.

That's an important distinction.

2. Then comes Watergate

Watergate changed everything because Americans got an actual glimpse behind the curtain.

The government wasn't merely capable of lying about something embarrassing.

There were people inside the government apparatus who were willing to:

conduct illegal surveillance

break into offices

obstruct investigations

manipulate information

use intelligence agencies for political purposes

and then attempt to conceal it.

And eventually, the system exposed them.

That means conspiracy isn't inherently irrational.

Sometimes conspiracies are real.

The mistake is assuming either everything is a conspiracy or nothing is.

3. MKUltra is where the tin hat gets uncomfortable

This one isn't speculation.

The CIA really did conduct MKUltra, involving experiments with drugs, interrogation, psychological manipulation and human subjects, sometimes without informed consent.

Much of the documentation was destroyed.

Think about the implications of that for a moment.

If someone in 1955 had said:

“The CIA is secretly experimenting on people with LSD and psychological techniques.”

They would have sounded completely insane.

And yet, portions of that story turned out to be true.

That's one of the historical facts that makes conspiracy skepticism complicated.

4. Iran-Contra

Again: real.

Secret weapons deals, covert operations, intelligence personnel, intermediaries, money moving through clandestine channels and attempts to keep Congress from knowing what was happening.

Not a conspiracy theory.

A congressional investigation.

5. Then we get to 9/11

This is where I'd separate three different claims, because they're often mashed together.

A. The U.S. government knew something about an impending attack.

There is substantial evidence that intelligence agencies had numerous warnings about al-Qaeda and that there were significant failures to connect information and act on it.

B. Certain people inside government deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen.

That's a much stronger claim, and the publicly available evidence doesn't establish it.

C. The attacks were actually orchestrated by U.S. intelligence agencies.

That's an even stronger claim, and there isn't convincing evidence demonstrating it.

But Building 7 is legitimately one of the most visually startling pieces of the entire discussion.

It came down later in the afternoon despite not being hit by an airplane. NIST concluded that prolonged fires and structural failures initiated a progressive collapse.

You can find that explanation unsatisfying without automatically concluding that explosives were planted.

And that's an important distinction:

“I don't find the official explanation persuasive” isn't the same thing as “therefore I know what happened.”

Building 7 deserves skepticism, but skepticism needs to survive competing explanations.

6. Epstein is perhaps the most disturbing modern example

This is where your phrase “sick puppet” gets interesting.

Epstein wasn't simply some random wealthy predator.

He had extraordinary access to extremely wealthy and politically connected people.

He cultivated relationships with politicians, academics, business leaders, royalty and celebrities.

He also received remarkably favorable treatment from the justice system in his earlier case.

Then there's Ghislaine Maxwell, who was convicted of helping facilitate the sexual abuse of minors.

And Epstein's death in federal custody created an enormous credibility problem because of the extraordinary series of failures surrounding his incarceration.

But here's where I'd put the brakes on the rabbit hole:

Being associated with Epstein isn't proof that someone participated in his crimes.

The legitimate question isn't:

“Who was on Epstein's list?”

It's:

“Who knew what, who facilitated access, who benefited, who was protected, and why did institutions repeatedly fail to stop him?”

That's a much more powerful question.

7. And then there is the intelligence world itself

Here's the really uncomfortable part.

You don't actually have to believe in a single omnipotent secret organization.

History gives us something potentially more plausible:

competing networks of intelligence officials, political operatives, wealthy interests, contractors, foreign governments, organized crime figures, lobbyists and institutional bureaucracies—sometimes cooperating, sometimes competing, sometimes covering for themselves.

That model explains a lot more than:

“There is one secret group controlling everything.”

Because bureaucracies are messy.

People have agendas.

Agencies protect their reputations.

Politicians protect careers.

Corporations protect contracts.

Intelligence agencies protect sources and methods.

And powerful people protect relationships.

Sometimes those interests overlap.

That's where things get really interesting.

8. The biggest rabbit hole may actually be classified history

Consider how much Americans have learned decades after the fact.

The public eventually learned about:

MKUltra

COINTELPRO

illegal CIA activities

assassination plots

domestic intelligence operations

Watergate

Iran-Contra

secret surveillance programs

extraordinary rendition

warrantless surveillance

torture programs

And many of these weren't revealed because somebody voluntarily walked into a press conference and said:

“We should probably tell everyone what we've been doing.”

They emerged through whistleblowers, leaks, lawsuits, congressional investigations, journalists and declassification.

That should make us neither paranoid nor complacent.

It should make us institutionally skeptical.

And that's where I'd draw the line

There are basically four levels:

1. Proven: “We know this happened.”

2. Strongly supported: “The evidence strongly suggests this happened.”

3. Plausible but unproven: “There are legitimate unanswered questions.”

4. Speculative: “There is a possible explanation, but we don't have meaningful evidence for it.”

The danger is jumping from #3 directly to #1.

But there's an equal danger in pretending everything in #3 is ridiculous simply because some conspiracy theories are absurd.

And honestly, history gives us plenty of reasons not to make that mistake.

The most interesting question isn't “What conspiracy theory do I believe?”

It's:

“What have powerful institutions historically done in secret that the public initially would have considered impossible—and what does that teach us about the things we still don't know?”

That's a much deeper rabbit hole.

Brian Garrison's avatar

What about the Learing centers and things like that? People are really pissed about that kind of corruption. I am not arguing you point about detention as I do think that is a racket just like the prison system. But immigration is being perceived as a lot of people taking advantage of the system.

🐺The Wise Wolf's avatar

that Somali learning center stuff was legal immigrants. people who got green cards, a lot of them citizens by now. that's Medicaid fraud and it should be prosecuted. it just isn't an immigration story no matter how many times it gets filed as one.

and that money is a drop in the bucket next to what ICE detention is costing you. ICE is pulling more funding now than every federal law enforcement agency combined. every single one of them, added together. that fraud is a rounding error against it.

my guess is the whole scandal got run as a pressure relief valve. give people one real corruption story they can cite every time somebody brings up the detention money, and they'll never get around to asking who's cashing the bigger check.

JC's avatar

I suspect there are wide factions of the border and enforcement arm, as well as the administration, who would jump at the opportunity to implement your plan. However: as structured, US immigration law around proceedings and asylum do not permit an efficient, timely pipeline of "identify suspect - determine status - remove".

In effect, US law is based around the assumption that the rest of the world is well-behaved and orderly and willing to queue nicely with just a few cases of individuals who make honest mistakes. That is... naive... but perhaps appropriate to times when the incentives were not as strong. (Please note I'm not quantifying 'incentive' here, just assigning a magnitude.)

Observe that the most sympathetic slice of the illegal immigrant stories capture (haha?) individuals who would otherwise make *extremely excellent Americans* due to their work ethic (often at odds with minimum wage laws, lol) and essential cleverness. The regular pathways exclude them completely, even were they willing to wait the many, many years such pathways might take.

In absolutely every possible way, America has been set up to be collectively abused by the immigration issue. This is not accidental, since as historical fact the country reached its zenith through hard work by determined "foreigners" and their re-investment in community and infrastructure (versus the pockets of bankers). Every possible rake has been left out for the American people to walk over while sorting out the perversion made of the original order.

Lei's avatar

Send them back to their country like WW says then. That stops the fraud. Case closed.

Lei's avatar

So, send them back to their country like the Wise one said. Full stop. No more fraud.

denise ward's avatar

It's the gubermint that does that. Why don't they direct their ire at the one who is causing it? Would you reject money gubermint offered you?

MoodyP's avatar

Before your plan could ever be considered, much less implemented, every lawfare Democrat immigration attorney would need to be silenced.

And every Democrat appointed judge (especially the Biden and Obama judges, would need to be impeached.

Your story on Martina made me mad. And sad. At the same time. But I didn’t even think of cancelling. Even though I think you buried the lede.

Cause the chances are better than 50/50, way, way better, that she is in that facility because (1) her parents are illegal aliens (2) they got caught (3) there is a deportation order (4) the lawfare attorneys are fighting that order (5) she will be there until their case is resolved.

Alternatively (1) there is not yet a deportation order (2) the govt is working on getting one (3) the backlog is years (4) if they let them go tey disappear into the heartland and are never seen again.

I would also take issue with your assertion that we aren’t paying for them. 75-80% of the Somalis in MN are on welfare.

The GOP and their Chamber of Commerce minders need cheap labor to fuel obscene corporate profits. The Democrats need voters.

Neither party has had any interest in solving the issue in my lifetime. And I’m 71. That’s a lot of years of kicking the can down the road.

Cut of all public funding. Cut off their ability to send money back home. Cut off their ability to open a bank account without proof of citizenship or a green card. And bribe them with 20k and a plane ticket.

80% will be gone within 60 months. The population reduction will be 20s of millions. Housing will return to affordability. And employers will be forced to pay wages that will attract people to do the jobs they claim nobody wants.

🐺The Wise Wolf's avatar

and the 20 grand + ticket would be CHEAPER than what we are doing right now but it wouldn’t make rich men richer so that’ll never happen.

this country is going to collapse by the time i am your age.

Phil M.'s avatar

This is one of your greatest Wolf. I could not find anything to disagree about. And believe me, I always try. Thanks for putting the Republican party and Democrat party together. Was that you whom you said "pastored for twenty years."? I was not surprised except that I was an ordained minister for twenty years. And I must explain why I chose, #3 "What have you been smoking?" if you ran for office. It was not because I would not, because I would. And it wasn't because I thought that should have been answer #4.20 instead of #3. And it wasn't because of anything I may, or may not have been smoking. Wait....what was the question?😎

Christine's avatar

🤣🤣🤣🤣💗💖

Frances's avatar

It’s not just about immigration. The same methods used across the board. Processed food to create dependants and ill health. German inspired factory schooling to produce unquestioning do as you’re told workforce. Medications to keep people chained to the wheel. Fragile or abnormally wired, possibly trauma informed minds of those who get too weird to deal with, are forced neurotoxins. Thus providing fodder upon which rely health systems. An aspect of so called care which is a terrifyingly harvester at that level.

Caught up giving their working hours (and therefore freedom) to these agencies are again, people who are sacrificing the joys of realising this glorious world we are gifted to wake up to.

The child who sparked your article, the children who are as you say, decided upon. Separated from rightful childhood. Their nightmares caused to play out in their futures until they may, or may not find the knowledge that their programming is faulty. If lucky they learn how to sort it. If not, they remain cannon fodder.

Continued repeated information on the intentional disharmony created by an old wave of thinking which is completely unsustainable has got to ensure its demise? Reminding the emperor wears no clothes.

If we get angry we feed the monster. Compassion and love for the victims is surely a must.

Judith M Race's avatar

The issue is so far advanced and the rot so entrenched I doubt anything can be done now...I think the Lord has to push the delete button. People have not wanted to address anything that's wrong in this country for years- now it's a done deal....done!! I do think your right on though....not that it helps but your one of the few that has a desire to try...most do not. Good job.

denise ward's avatar

If one thinks nothing can be done, then one will do nothing. I think a lot can be done, actually we're in the process right now but calling it out. Talking about it comes first. Please keep an optimistic outlook because our thoughts are very powerful.

Robert's avatar

“when a civilization collapses, its rulers plunder the nation.”

our leaders (elected, appointed, placed into positions illegally and/or fraudulently under the guise of "elections", etc.) have eroded the social contract and this article is just another example showing what is going on with children.

government has in general become predatory. yet government is really people. so government in and of itself is not the problem, it is the people occupying areas of government that have themselves become the problem that we-the-people need to resolve.

>>History shows that societies collapse when leaders undermine social contracts https://phys.org/news/2020-10-history-societies-collapse-leaders-undermine.html

>>Lessons From Fallen Empires https://popular-archaeology.com/article/political-collapse-lessons-from-fallen-empires/

>>A general theory of collapse https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/2fsu5c7k5MvbE8Dm6/the-people-s-history-of-collapse

if we return to limited government then the constraints will ensure the nation does not get looted with impunity.

now how to get us back to the constitution and limited government before the fall/collapse, or worse, the pass through to the new world order created by psychopaths, sociopaths, etc.?

denise ward's avatar

I think we need to go forward, not back ("back to the constitution") You know only men wrote it? I find that so insulting as a woman. That we were not drawn in as part of the process. Also it's an antiquated document, though I'm very fond of the First Amendment. However we need something totally new because those days are no longer with us, we now have algorithms, robots, Directed Energy Weapons. The constitution was written even before electricity was thought of. It's totally irrelevant to our time. A document is static unless it has a coherent method for change, it cannot direct society because society is always changing.

Robert's avatar

ya we should move forward. not sure women were not included just because men signed it, but updating the current one with documented input from a variety of people would be cool.

the constitution does not appear to be as static as you mentioned. it has internal mechanisms for change such as article-v allowing amendments. plus, while the first amendment was not written with the internet, social media, algorithms, or ai in mind, its principles can still apply to those technologies because at the end of the day it's about people who are just as much rascals today as they were back then and prior.

i guess with updating, we could keep the framework of rights, separated powers, due process, and limits on government while correcting its exclusions and adapting perhaps some additional constraints especially with limited government and turnover back to the people upon a majority vote of the people in order to more gracefully form a more perfect union.

denise ward's avatar

It's a conversation we need to have. The constitution may have allowed change when information traveled at horse and buggy speed. But now it travels at light speed but it takes something like ten years average, to change anything in the constitution. That's just woefully inadequate. Everyone I know of who has any business with courts takes years and often for inane results that make no sense. Now with information traveling instantly, we can do so much more than draft a static constitution. The people ourselves can make the proposals. This can be done using a system that is coherent backing it. Such as every electorate has a very similar number of people, a quorum must be met, and instead of a piddling 51% majority, have a vajority - a vast majority something in the order of 70-80%. With 51% it is just 1% above randomness! So virtually it leaves both sides unhappy. What is the fairest is for a vast majority, a widespread number of people agreeing or disagreeing with a proposal. We don't need these knuckleheads at all now. We are all educated so why have them? It's like hanging onto a chaperone. We can do it all ourselves and the outcomes would be phenomenal because they would please an extensive number of people and nothing makes more sense than that. Whereas voting for people is puerile. We all know they do the opposite of what they campaigned for. And not having any kind of coherence in the numbers in the electorates or having a quorum at all is preposterous because it means 300 people could be the only ones voting and yet a president is still elected.

Lee's avatar

Good riddance to all the RETARDED subscribers lost. Just sorry for the lost revenue to the intrepid journalists of this stack.

Makes one think that maybe it’s difficult to blame the fallen watchers for not wanting to serve man when they lack all redeeming qualities such as uncommon sense…

🐺The Wise Wolf's avatar

yeah i can’t say that i am going to miss them or their money.

normally lily gets really mad at me if we lose paid subs but this time she just kept saying ‘keep pushing, wake these heartless monsters up’.

she was even angrier about these people claiming to be Christians than I was.

Christian in the same sense as a Crusader in the Holy Land claiming they are there to liberate Christendom and then slaughtering the very Christian natives they were there to save so they could rob them blind.

Lee's avatar

They make me sick. Lily sounds tough as nails…I love that gal!

Christine's avatar

A fine example of why I no longer call myself a Christian, I AM a follower of THE WAY that Christ came to teach humanity

Lynda Drake's avatar

Thank you for explaining the immigrant situation so clearly. Now for me to wake up enough to do something positive to change things! And, yes I would vote for you!

JC's avatar

You can have your Bismarkian social state, or you have have your unrestricted immigration. Not both.

It is correct, however, that rich people are making money billing government for money it pulled out of people's pockets (or, thin air), using the excuse of illegal immigrant handling to do so.

America's immigration system is a lottery, in much the same way being strapped to a spinning wheel in a carnival tent while knives are flung at you is a lottery. It does a very poor job of bringing the best and brightest of the world to America, and there is a moral discussion that could be had on whether sucking such people out of their native lands is a kind of imperialism that impoverishes the colony of human resources.

What it does do is create demand for illegal, dangerous and expensive services, making people who delight in denigrated human beings at their mercy very happy; such people spend large amounts of money on legal action to ensure little girls sit in cages for six months when they would otherwise get on a bus to a more appropriate home with their relatives.

Meanwhile, Canada's system is theoretically rational and orderly, but in actuality is just as selectively enforced as the States. In both countries, you only have laws if you have enforcement, so effectively when it comes to immigration there is a wild west of whatever-you-get-away with.

Whenever looking for someone to blame, remember to check "all of the above".

Also, Wise Wolf for congresscritter would be hilarious.